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    anne-marie
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        This is some-thing that I have tried to find out about on and off throughout the summer without much success. Perhaps some-one can enlighten me. In the winter of 2006 the E.E.C passed a law that was to be introduced throughout europe in May of this year forbidding all inclusive hotels to operate within an eight kilometre radius of any tourist area ( there were guidelines defining exactly what qualified as a tourist area!) apparently the spanish introduced it immediately in the summer of 2007 with great success, but what I would like to know is what happened here in Greece or was this european law revoked? Sokin may you can help?

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        #17295
        sokin
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            363228292E3C3138393C36345D0 wrote: This is some-thing that I have tried to find out about on and off throughout the summer without much success. Perhaps some-one can enlighten me. In the winter of 2006 the E.E.C passed a law that was to be introduced throughout europe in May of this year forbidding all inclusive hotels to operate within an eight kilometre radius of any tourist area ( there were guidelines defining exactly what qualified as a tourist area!) apparently the spanish introduced it immediately in the summer of 2007 with great success, but what I would like to know is what happened here in Greece or was this european law revoked?  Sokin may you can help?

            for a start i would like a link of the ey law.
            secondly we will need a definition of eu regarding tourist area and if the eu gave the ok to the nations to use the law based on their own definition-law regarding tourist areas.

            if the law says may 2009 and greece has not done it then i would love to inform the local news paper about it……. ::)

            #17503
            anne-marie
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                Hi Sokin. I do realise that my post was rather vague. A guy in our restaurant – bar, who is really into the internet and the law, told me to look up a greek government website and check out laws that were past in 2007. I’m not so good with these things and so couldn’t get very far. I’ll ask my husband for the web address, if he remembers and perhaps you can get further than I did if you’d like to try. I just remember hearing this on the news as they mention the effect on islands like Corfu where it is 80% all inclusive!

                #17647
                latsida
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                    Hi anne.marie and Sokin. Looked up Tourist Directives from the EU and there was no mention of All Inclusive Legisation.
                    Lots of stuff about Timeshare Laws, travel Airline regs. etc.
                    Then went to the Greek tourism ministry site and looked back over the statements for the last few years from the Minister nothing there either.
                    Suggest you contact your MEP,they all have contact email.
                    Sounds like a windup to me ::)

                    #17753
                    vespaboy
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                        I heard this from a lot of people, so I dont think its a wind up.
                        But we are dreaming if we think all inc hotels will stop being all inc it really would be the end for the big hotel chains.

                        #17831
                        anne-marie
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                            Hi latsida. Thanks for going to so much trouble that’s really nice of you  :) At one point I actually thought that it was a wind up or that I was going totally mad!! But then I kept reminding myself that I had heard this on the news and as I say it was back in the winter of 2006 that’s why I’m a bit vague on it.

                            To be honest I’m not sure what to think now, maybe there was another vote in the european parliment and I missed that info. I don’t think that it would be the end of the big hotels here if they did ban the all inclusive hotels, after all they worked so well before it ever came here. The reason that I am so against them here is that first all they are not a necessity as far as safety is concerned. Secondly they are not run properly and therefor when the tourists leave saying that they are unhappy and never coming here again, they unfortunetely don’t just mean to the hotel that they were staying in, they mean to Crete in general :(  I guess that we will have to see what happens, but any-one does learn a bit more it would be really nice to know. Thanks again Latsida!!

                            #17893
                            latsida
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                                Hi anne-marie.
                                I understand your concerns but the All Inclusive hotels I have stayed in around the world have been excellent.
                                Perhaps individual Governments and regions have regulations about the large Resort All inclusive and Eco Village resort developments being in an already developed tourist area.
                                Many of the locals in Latsida work every summer in the Kalimari Kriti hotel in Sisi, these types of hotel have a large staff to customer ratio.

                                #17942
                                anne-marie
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                                    I 100% agree with you on all inclusives around the world being excellent and believe it or not this actually adds to the problem here in Crete.

                                    For example you go off to the Domenican Republic to an all inclusive hotel. The food is excellent, the cocktails are great, the service is wonderful and nothings too much trouble….. then you come here and that’s where the problem starts. Now I’m not saying all of them, but a lot of the hotel owners haven’t quite grasped the ‘all inclusive’ idea. The all inclusive drinks list cannot be: Raki, local beer, wine, metaxa and any-thing else that doesn’t cost them too much!! ( I won’t go on too much I think we’ve got the jist!) because then the guests immediately think back to their last all inclusive holiday say in Kenya and really what’s to compare… there is no comparison what so ever. Especially when it comes to the entertainment!

                                    I have only ever known two all inclusive hotels to work 100% properly here in the west of crete, I can’t speak for the east as I know nothing about that side of the island. I am going back a few years but I know that the only reason these two hotels were so successful was because the tour operator literally ran the hotel. By this I mean they had reps living in. The T.O told them what food to serve, what entertainment they had to provide etc etc. These two hotels, one of them is enormous, were and probably still are to this day extremely successful with guests re-booking year after year.

                                    I can also understand about the employment aspect. But as in the case of Corfu, the island is 80% all inclusive it doesnt give the local small business man much chance to build up his business and employ more staff.

                                    I think that there are so many ‘fors and againsts’ on this topic. But if they are going to continue all inclusive here, they should be some sort of area guideline to allow the local business man to work. After all most people who book all inclusive don’t care really where it is as long as it’s by the beach, as most of them don’t plan to really go any-where any-way. ( obviously I am not talking about in countries where it is not safe to stay any where else other than in all inclusive) Also the hotels should at least get it right. At least we would then be losing visitors from them being so disappointed in their hotel :(

                                    Hope you understand my train on this one!!

                                    #17984
                                    latsida
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                                        Hi Anne-marie,
                                        I have never been to either the Dominican Republic or Kenya so cannot comment on their service,there are however usually restrictions on drinks ,local wines, beers, liqueurs and shorts are usually on the list but not fine wines ,champagne, French Brandy etc.

                                        Here in the Lassithi area we have some of the most prestigious hotels in the world in Elounda where the most exclusive hotels can charge thousands per person per night,The service and standard of these hotels is fantastic.
                                        Earlier this year my family stayed in Sisi and although they were not staying at the Vassia Beach Hotel their apartments overlooked the outside stage area and one evening we watched  the entertainment which was very good. This hotel is not exclusively all inclusive.
                                        Things are changing and standards are improving,when I think of some of the places I have stayed in Greece since my first visit in 1973,but that used to be part of the charm of Greece.
                                        You are right people nowadays expect a higher standard.
                                        in todays offers from travelzoo seven nights all inc just 289 pounds at the beginning of next years season .
                                        this includes all drinks and even ice cream!!!! this is at the new and beautiful Blue Marine overlooking Mirabello Bay.

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                                        sokin
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                                            if its not AI it can be FB with extra bonuses and its the same without breaking the law….

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                                                O latsida you are so right about some of the best hotels in the world being in Elounda. At the end of every season I say to my husband that I deserve at least a week in the 6 star hotel there, I think it’s called the Elounda Beach. Never mind what it’s called it looks fab, but as you say costs thousands. Probably why I never get there!!!!! >:(

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                                                sokin
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                                                    4D49535255474A4355260 wrote: O latsida you are so right about some of the best hotels in the world being in Elounda. At the end of every season I say to my husband that I deserve at least a week in the 6 star hotel there, I think it’s called the Elounda Beach. Never mind what it’s called it looks fab, but as you say costs thousands. Probably why I never get there!!!!! >:(

                                                    even better for you. take my advice and dont go there in any of the so called 5-6-7 star hotels. i know from inside that they have rat problems, cleaning problems, plumping and you name it problems. the amount of money that you will pay will not worth it. better take a 3 weeks holidays in tailand in a real 4-5 star hotel which will cost you the same than in elounda. why pay thousands per day when with 20 euro per day you can have the same and more in tailand

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                                                        There would be some logic in limiting the number of such hotels in any resort.

                                                        I was told by some of the restaurant and Bar owners in Rethymnon that the All Inclusives are killing the trade and the sight of too many bankrupt premises and empty buildings can not be good for the general image the resorts.

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