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    esxman
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        Hi , anyone in or around Apokoronas area interested in voting for local elections , there is a meeting this Sat 11 a.m. in
        Totem cafe just up from Plaka , a chance to meet candidates . This website explains it better, and there is some interesting stuff there  http://apokoronasourhome.com/

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        #27080
        MartinP
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            Candidates are now doing the rounds of the villages. Schedule is here under "Latest news".

            An English-speaking Liaison candidate has been appointed to each village.

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            Monika Less
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                May I just say, that yes I think it’s a clever move to involve the ex-pats ( a huge potential voting group) in the local elections. However, please don’t be suckered in to ‘Deka’ Helen and her cronies party. If you read their manifesto they seem to want to take credit for bringing to our attention, items already achieved by the current mayor of Kalives. Furthermore, they are mainly G’opolis based and not au fait with ‘Little England’.So, while I think it’s good to be involved in our local community…look around at the other parties and weigh up your options. Granted if you don’t understand Greek you are at a disadvantage, but, there is a different independent party, meeting at Almirida Hotel on Thurs at 6pm with a translator. They are very keen to improve the health care and seem to be focusing on one issue, unlike some, thinking they can ‘fix everything, as long as you vote for them’

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                MartinP
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                    Your post is somewhat distasteful and I have to say "please don’t shoot the messenger". I think it’s fine to post information about meetings on this forum but I’m not sure it’s appropriate to post defamatory comments or use words like "suckered" about people who genuinely want to see the area improve. I’ll try to clarify a few points.

                    Helen Peters is currently acting as honorary (i.e. unpaid) liaison person, helping to disseminate information about DEKA meetings and discussions to the English-speaking community of Apokoronas. These meetings are principally being arranged by the DEKA team leaders, Grigoris Markakis and Sifis Stavroulakis.

                    The new mayor’s central office will be based in Vrises (not Georgioupolis). This decision was made by central government, not locally, and can not be changed, regardless of which party is elected.

                    The DEKA candidates for Kalives live in Kalives (not Georgioupolis). I imagine that those people are quite au fait with "Little England", since they live there. (BTW the current mayor of Kalives is not standing for election.)

                    The DEKA manifesto sets out clear targets. I don’t think anyone is ignorant of the difficulties or lack of finances that will make the achievement of such targets hard but there are important issues to solve, which can’t be ignored.

                    I note what you say about the EMAAK party setting itself a single target (healthcare) and concentrating only on the Almirida area.

                    I haven’t found their manifesto so I don’t know whether your description is accurate. If it is, there may be a lot of disappointed people who are concerned about other matters such as water ownership and distribution, animal welfare, social integration, sewerage, care of the elderly and dissemination of information in a timely manner.

                    Finally, I have heard many rumours about what DEKA will or will not do. I recommend that everyone should read their manifesto to see for themselves what the party is trying to achieve and decide for yourself whether you like it. Don’t concentrate on individual personalities. The team goals are what matter.

                    #27699
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                        please can somebody explain to me to whom these groups ,DEKA for instance , are affiliated? or are they independent candidates?
                        Are the main parties standing in these elections? PASOK ,ND, SYRIZA and KKE.
                        these main parties we all know and depending on your political persuasion you would vote for the one closest to your own opinions
                        local politics can be very complicated, even in the small village I live in there are political factions who do not even speak to each other.
                        unless you understand the complexities and the language, by voting for a group that is deliberately targeting "xenoi "then you could be alienating the very people who could soon be controlling your region.
                        just a thought

                        #27821
                        Monika Less
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                            My apologies MP if you found my post ‘distasteful’ that was not my intention.

                            paras 2,3,4&5 I know

                            para 6 no, not just Almirida.From I have been able to gather thus far, EMAAK realise that the budget will not stretch to all of the issues so far raised, and is therefore trying to prioritise our needs; as we, the community,describe them.

                            Litsida wholeheartedly agree with your last para. Your post is what I was trying to say, but obviously not eloquently enough.

                            All of us, Greeks and ex-pats alike need to be aware of all the details of the various manifestos, in order to make an informed decision.

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                            MartinP
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                                Both parties include people who previously supported a specific political party. However, both parties claim to be fully "independent" of political allegiance.

                                My perception is that DEKA is not "targeting" non-Greeks (an insignificant group compared with locals) but "including" non-Greeks. To this end, they took great pains to hold meetings not only in Greek but also in English, Romanian (and possibly meetings in other languages, of which I’m not aware).

                                I totally agree that there won’t be enough money to do everything at once. Grigoris Markakis was asked about this specific point at the meeting in Xirosterni last night and replied in Greek (so this is an approximation)…

                                He said that there is not a lot needed to put certain basic things right; it is more a question of organization. Then he went on to explain that the government will give a certain amount initially for the first term and listed where the other money will come from – i.e. so much from VAT etc.

                                The next question was about spending control and he said that everything will be on the record and will be made available on the Internet for all to see (in Greek and English as a minimum). In addition, major spends will have to be put before an independent tribunal for approval. (I believe this is a government mandate so it won’t be for the mayor to decide whether or not he can be bothered with it. It will be done.)

                                Whichever party wins, the other party will presumably be watching and pushing to get things done. But we all have to do our bit. Don’t sit back and complain about trivial matters such as rubbish or vegetation needing to be cut back. Get out and do it yourself! (I was out myself last week cutting back thorny bushes that were making driving dangerous on a bend on the main road.)

                                You may remember the famous Kennedy line: "ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country." Well it applies to us.

                                George Atsalakis, an accountant in Xania, has been pressing for more use of sunlight to produce energy. He has also written proposals about how Apokoronas should concentrate on local produce to make money. You can find his various papers here:
                                http://www.apokoronasourhome.com
                                Scroll down to "File Library".

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                                ganesh
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                                    I must admit that your reaction did sound a little like english politics Monika-snied remarks like ‘au fait with Little England’ and ‘Helen and her cronies party’ -jabs at the opposition rather than expressing positive policies for your own party or the one you support.
                                    It was hard enough in England to stop the bitching and find out the real views of each candidate in recent elections,and it must be even harder in Crete if you can’t understand the language.
                                    The ex-pats ARE a huge voting potential but are also living here and are a part of the community that needs representation along with all the cretans.Each party should present their manifestos in greek and english setting out what they can do realistically,where their priorities lie,and let ALL the public decide.From what I’ve read so far in this thread the system is confusing and the english are bound to vote for something they understand.

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                                    Monika Less
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                                        Hi I realise I got off on the wrong foot and asked that you accept my apology.

                                        MP I totally agree with your post; in that, we can make the world (Kriti) a better place in which to live, by all doing our own little bit.

                                        I am however somewhat concerned now. The other day a Greek neighbour of mine stopped by. She had seen an interview on Kydon (I think) The gist of which, (again ,I think- please don’t get on my case,) I think I understood her to say that Markakis is under investigation by the Minister of Interior for corruption (theft or fraud) Someone in his coominity requested extra stret lighting- he gave a price and they paid him; only to find out later from DEH that their price and what they received was not what the person paid to Markakis. They reported him to the Periphenia (HQ for local govt. Crete. Heraklion) They in turn have said that there is a case to be heard and therefore passed it on the Ministry Of Interior who are investigating. The person who paid for the street lights being the main witness.

                                        This is why I am trying very hard to find out about all the various parties. I agree that Helen an Co. have gone out of their way to help explain to ex-pats the various processes of voting etc. But to my mind, this doesn’t mean that this party is the only option. We need to find out more in order to make an informed choice.

                                        I hope that you will read this post for what it is and not jump on me. I just want to find out more info. and am finding it very hard.

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                                            I believe the interview in question was the one where all the leaders of the parties were present. What your neighbour failed to tell you was Mr Markakis’ response that the person involved in that particular incident had "left" his party and is now standing with Mr Koukianakis!

                                            What is the truth of the matter I don’t know but suffice it to say one must be very certain of facts before putting them on a public board like this.

                                            Out of interest, do you know that the DEKA party members were not chosen by Mr Markakis? The actual party was formed initially by two young men from Georgioupolis. After several meetings, Mr Markakis was chosen to be the "figurehead" of the party because of his experience, his government connections and his honesty (compared with other applicants).

                                            It’s important to understand that the future mayor of Apokoronas will not be responsible for final decision making. Decisions will be referred to the committee comprising all members including local representatives. Final decisions on spending will be overseen by an ombudsman. The mayor’s principal responsibility will be one of local organisation and liaison with central government. Consequently, even if the elected mayor turns out to be an absolute rogue, his hands will effectively be tied. (However, I believe that Mr Markakis is more trustworthy than most.)

                                            I guess this relieves the stress of decision making for us, a little, because whoever gets into power will be forced into channelling his efforts in the right direction. The days of the "fakilaki" are hopefully numbered! (That’s not to say that corruption will vanish but it will certainly be marginalised.)

                                            The DEH bills of the Dimos are open to public scrutiny along with the "timologia" etc. so anyone can go and see them.

                                            It is good to know all your opinions about the various parties. It seems though that, outside of Plaka Almyrida, there has been no information from EMAAK or KKE in English, whereas the DEKA party has reached even the smallest mountain villages where there are only a couple of foreign people.

                                            DEKA has promised complete openness, with all decisions and expenditures published on a web site in Greek and English.

                                            Edited: misspelt Mr Koukianakis’ name – sorry!

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                                                if I were to vote in the forth coming elections it would not be because a party had bothered to have their aims and manifesto translated into all the different languages of the inhabitants of my region,( not just English) laudable though that maybe
                                                I know the political stance of the main parties and would therefore vote accordingly.
                                                we have had much canvassing in this area over the last week or so and I have tried to read most of the leaflets given to me, translating any unknown words .
                                                they all say the usual things that politicians say when they want your vote, in other words things you want to hear and issues you are concerned about.
                                                it is whether you agree with the main aims of the teams you vote for and whether they can deliver their promises.

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                                                    Totally agree with Latsida; it is the main aims of each party that should guide the vote..and I also admire Helen for having the courage of her political convictions- not easy as a woman and a foreigner here..however from the very beginning the ‘honesty’ of the DEKA party is in question, since at their first meeting no mention was made of their intentions to form a party (although it was blatantly obvious).. Is it a coincidence that the main people involved in this party are an estate agent, a lawyer, an accountant..and a ‘language assistant’? Hhmm they have made money from you expats, now they want something more, or do they want to give back to you in grateful charity, help improve your lives? Sorry to be cynical, politics makes me that way. Helen is in the Athens News by the way, no mention of her ‘job’ as a "diaxeristis" as she puts it on the website..just, being helpful to foreigners. Still, if her party’s manifesto makes the most sense to me I will vote for it..

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                                                        I think we should avoid reading too much into personalities, and past or present occupations, otherwise we’ll be listing how many from each party have prison records next!

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                                                            Until now I have made no comment on here about the elections – other than basic information but I want to lay to rest a few rumours that are flying around. (I know the originator)
                                                            1. I am NOT changing parties ( though I was head hunted by all the others)
                                                            2.My husband is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN anything to do with the building trade!!
                                                            3. My official papers are for "Diaxeristis" this involves many things – a small part of which is helping people with paperwork etc – both English speaking and Greek – I cannot help what the press picks out when they have a limited amount of words – I suppose they say what they think the readers want
                                                            4. If you compare the two main teams occupation by occupation you will find that both have a lot of people in various trades. Our team alone has 130 candidates, ( as does the other) including Doctors, lawyers, accountants, teachers, farmers, hoteliers retired people etc. They live in EVERY village in Apokoronas, and yes they include builders, real estate etc – as do the other two parties. All the occupations of the candidates were in the newspapers to see.
                                                            5 Originally the people based in Georgioupolis were looking to have a team for the local elections in the old Dimos of Georgioupolis – under the Kapodistria system.Work began about a year ago. When it was announced that Kallikratis was being introduced we had long discussions with all the parties before we decided who we were going to support. (BTW at the first big meeting when we simply informed people about what was happening and to register to vote we had not decided and it was still in discussion) For many reasons we decided on the team we joined and support. Apokoronas is a huge area covering the mountain areas like Asi Gonia, the farming and fishing area, tourism etc etc some of you will have seen the daily list of visits to all the villages in the evenings
                                                            6.Everyone is free to vote for whoever they like – it is a private vote. I am happy to explain the system to anybody – no matter who you intend to vote for.
                                                            7. It is VITAL that the foreigners – from all countries – use their vote. the next elections in 3 1/2 years will be much more difficult for us all to be involved in if we don’t do it now.

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                                                            latsida
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                                                                How was the vote for Mr. Markakis?
                                                                the incumbent Mayor was re-elected here in Agios Nikolaos.

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                                                                    We go back to the polls on Sunday as there was no overall majority. We do not vote again for the individuals, just the parties so very simple – no crossed required.
                                                                    Figures are still coming in regarding individual councillors. Villages already know who their local reps are.

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                                                                    latsida
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                                                                        thanks Eleni,
                                                                        have just read the results on your previous link and think I understand the way they have reported the local votes.
                                                                        the parties are listed separately with the votes cast against each name for each town and village?

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                                                                            Yes that is correct – It is a bit confusing actually! – I suppose it depends where you look :-)

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