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    Alistair
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        As the ticks seem to be on the go now, please be aware of an infection in cats which is serious. Bartonella can result from flea or tick bites and is a blood disorder which affects all internal organs. Signs to look for are general lethargy, loss of appetite and not drinking, difficulty breathing.

        We have one kitten diagnosed this week, who is now on a course of antibiotics and has to go to the vet everyday for a drip to re-hydrate her.

        The disease can be passed on by a bite or scratch and yes I was scratched and on a months course of antibiotics. It can also be passed on to other cats and dogs.

        Alistair

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        #40903
        mswillis
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            Hi

            Timely posting, the donkey sanctuary in Lassithi have just lost their cat to this.

            I was wondering if just using the spot on treatments is sufficient, or is there anything else I should be doing.

            I have 3 cats who all go out and roam the valley!!

            Any information greatly received.

            Thank you

            #41234
            Alistair
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                Same cat this is alistair from walkwithdonkeys sanctuary.

                She dies today at the vets when she was having he dailly treatment, drip and various meds.

                It transpires that she had the disease but would have had feline infectious peritonitis which would have destroyed er immune system.

                This information from our vet as well as a feline specialist in Canada.

                Feeling pretty shattered tonight. 4 donkeys gone and now a kitten over the winter.

                BTW are you a Facebook friend?

                Alistair

                #41498
                YoMo2
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                    This sounds worrying. Really sorry to hear about your cat Alistair.

                    Does Spot-On protect against this?

                    Do all ticks carry it or just those in contact with certain carrier animals?

                    Is there any vaccination against it?

                    Hope someone has some info on this.

                    Andrew

                    #41692
                    Alistair
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                        Once we have time we will research a little more, but it seems that kittens and young cats are susceptible to Feline Infectious Peritonitis which can be passed on by their mother. I believe that there is no vaccine or cure for it, it is almost always fatal. The cat specialist in Canada thinks that this would have wiped out her immune system allowing the Bartonella infection through. Apparently there is little risk to other cats from FIP, but if scratched or bitten Bartonella can be caught by humans and yes I was scratched, now on a months worth of antibiotics.

                        Protection against Bartonella is not part of the vaccine process. There is lots on the Internet about both.

                        I hope this helps someone recognise the symptoms.

                        Alistair
                        This is the first time we have heard of both infections so learning

                        #41838
                        YoMo2
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                            Great, thanks for that info. We will also try to dig up some more off Internet as we have 3 cats who have access to some rough country.

                            Where is the donkey sanctuary, and is it open to the public?

                            Andrew

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                            Alistair
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                                Hi Andrew
                                We are not too far from you, above Ierapetra, but the easy way is to turn off at Istron and come through Prina, Kalamafka, we are just below Anatoli on the Ierapetra road.
                                Please telephone as some of the donks are a few hundred metres away and the Mare and foal (unrelated0 we rescued are in another part of the village but not far.
                                Alistair
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                                #42038
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                                    Cheers, we might try to get over in May sometime. But we’re not buying donkeys!!!

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                                    Alistair
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                                        Thats OK because we are not selling any.
                                        Alistair

                                        #42184
                                        mswillis
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                                            Hi Alistair

                                            Thanks for the info, and yes I am a friend on facebook and came to visit a couple of years back when we lived in Aghios Nikolaos, we are now in Chania.

                                            So a bit far to come now but can recommend it to anyone else, I know you’ve had a tough time of it this winter, I hope the summer proves better for you.

                                            Keep up all the good work you both do a fantastic job.

                                            Thanks again

                                            #42249
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                                                Hi Alistair
                                                do you still have the donkey you collected from Latsida ? or was it one of the ones you lost over the winter?
                                                Christine

                                                #42303
                                                Alistair
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                                                    Hi Christine

                                                    She is still with us doing fine – at least now she is not the fattest one, or should I say sturdy as we took in the last Dora from the Olive Oil Farm in Agios who is seriously overweight and we just hope with a controlled diet she can survive. She also has laminitis and possibly Cushings so not one of our healthiest donkeys. Sine we met we now have 2 horses which we had to rescue from a terrible situation, when we found 2 dead, another tied to a tree with no food and water, a month old orphan foal.

                                                    The foal is thriving and slowly enjoying his training.

                                                    Alistai

                                                    #42347
                                                    The Cats Pyjamas Rescue
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                                                        We use the Feline Advisory Bureau (FAB) guidelines for our cats & kittens.

                                                        Simple & clear this link explains FIP & how to deal with it we do not test any rescue cats under a year as they can still be carrying antibodies from the mother so may test positive but never devlop the disease.

                                                        We advise re homing postive adult cats on their own

                                                        http://www.fabcats.org/cat_group/faq/fipfaq.html

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                                                            I much appreciate Alistair and her dedication, but her post is incomplete and partially wrong. She is speaking about two very different diseases, the one having no relation with the other. I’d like to comment on this to make things clear.
                                                            First of all, Bartonellosis is not a blood disease (leukemia and hemophilia are). Bartonella hides itself in endothelial cells and frees itself under certain circumstances into the bloodstream (bacteremia) provoking a blood-borne disease.
                                                            1. The kitten died from Feline Infectious Peritonitis (FIP), which is a fatal disease generally occurring in kittens (<1 year), cats younger than 5 years and those those older than 10. It is caused by a coronavirus, also responsible for Feline Enteric Coronavirus (FICV), a milder self-limiting disease with fever, vomiting and mucoid diarrhea. FIP has 2 forms and starts with weight loss, loss of appetite, fever and general malaise, progressing with icterus (jaundice), abdominal distension, difficulties in breathing and central nervous system abnormalities. The disease causes immunodepression which in turn facilitates concurrent bacterial infections. Most cases of FIV develop in catteries and multi-cats households. Coronavirus are shed in the cat’s feces. Healthy, asymptomatic cats shed the virus and kittens are more likely to become infected by contact with cats other than their queens. Prevention is thus based on: cats should be housed only with the queen and littermates; not allowing cats to have contact with other cats, especially unknown ones; not bringing in feral or bought or received cats without a thorough veterinary check; not touching one’s own cat after having touched an unknown cat. 
                                                            To end this topic: since the early symptoms are so vague, so common in other diseases, diagnosis is very difficult. Often an antibiotic treatment is started out of the blue, which is useless (it’s a viral disease!), except to combat a potential concurrent infection. Cats with systemic clinical signs die or need euthanasia; in the non-effusive form, the survival time is very variable. If uveitis and chorioretinitis are the only symptoms in a non-effusive form of the disease, anti-inflammatory treatment or enucleation have a good prognosis. A controversed nasal vaccine exists and an immunostimulating medication is actually experimented.

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                                                                2. The genus Bartonella (B) comprises at least 26 species or subspecies of vector-transmitted bacteria. 11 species or subspecies are known or suspected to be pathogenic in humans, 8 have been detected in or isolated from pet dogs or cats. Cats are the main asymptomatic reservoir of 2 (3?) of them, among which B. henselae is responsible for cat scratch disease in humans. B. in cats is uttermost common and has a prevalence of about 40 to 60%, depending on the species, the cat’s breed and the climate zone, but cats are generally immune to the infection, while dogs and humans do not.
                                                                Five B. species are transmitted by lice, fleas or sandflies amongst different vertebrates (pigs, ruminants, rodents). [ch932]icks might serve as isolated B. hosts. However, there is no scientific evidence that B. spp. can replicate within ticks and currently transmission by a tick to a vertebrate host has never been demonstrated. Bartonellosis in humans and cats is not tick-borne! The disease is transmitted to humans and amongst cats (catteries, feral cats) by the cat flea Ctenocephalides felis (felis=cat).
                                                                To humans B. can cause: cat scratch disease, endocarditis, angiomatosis, a type of hepatitis in HIV-infected persons and bacteremia.
                                                                Cat scratch disease is benign and self-limiting except in its atypical forms. It’s transmitted through the cat flea’s feces. Infected fleas’ feces contaminate the cat’s claws during grooming, then B. are inoculated into the person when scratched or if he/she has an open wound. Open wounds can also be infected directly by the flea’s feces. B. is also present in the healthy cat’s mouth. Bites and licks should also be avoided. Nevertheless, a history of an animal scratch or bite is not necessary for disease transmission. Depending on the host immune system – immunodepressed patients are prone to develop serious symptoms – the disease will be mild or serious. Only 10% of infected patients are considered seriously ill and need antibiotics.
                                                                In cats, the symptoms are fever, weakness, swollen glands, uveitis, gingivitis and neurological symptoms. How often cats become ill is still unknown; why some cats develop Bartonellosis and other not is still not clear. Treatment consist of broad-spectrum antibiotics. The cat remains a healthy carrier though, since the bacteria remains hidden in its endothelial cells.
                                                                Prevention against this disease is based on: flea control all year long; when adopting, receiving or buying a cat, always assure it is free of fleas; claws should be trimmed regularly; bites, licks and scratches should be avoided at all times; cat wound should be washed and disinfected immediately; keep cats indoors to minimize exposure with unknown cats. Great care must be taken to avoid children and pregnant women to play with kittens, which are more likely to carry the bacteria.
                                                                To conclude:
                                                                1. Alistair’s kitten died of FIP, being, as many kittens are, a previously healthy B. host, normally without consequences, but since its immune system was depressed due to the viral infection, it could have or has developed a secondary Feline Bartonellosis, worsening the overall picture.
                                                                2. Ticks do not transmit Bartonellosis; cat fleas and cat fleas’ feces do. Between other vertebrates (rodents and ruminants), other vectors are sandflies and lices.
                                                                3. Finally, Bartonellosis is not a blood-disorder; it’s a disease caused by a blood-borne bacteria.

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                                                                Alistair
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                                                                    Well I stand corrected don’t I and with this explanation I will be better equipped to talk about this blood …..problem – if only I understood it.

                                                                    Sorry must go I have been sent back to my room.

                                                                    Alistair

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                                                                        WO,I am put off stroking my cats ever again!! LOL :D

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                                                                        samilias
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                                                                            does my small child have to be super careful about playing where there might just be cat poo?
                                                                            At my home I don’t let him touch my cats (not have injection) and he scratches (my cat does) but when he is at a friends house there are lots of cats and I know there is the risk of possible the touching of cat poo when they play in the greenery.

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                                                                                6D66716A626D62030 wrote: does my small child have to be super careful about playing where there might just be cat poo?

                                                                                Yes! A pet, being a cat or a dog, is an uttermost valuable social and psychological aid for all age groups, especially for children and older persons. Allowing them to play with their pet(s) should be encouraged. From a medical point of view though, there always exists a potential danger for infection. One doesn’t have to be paranoid about it, but has to keep it in mind, applying the necessary prevention methods and being cautious.
                                                                                A small child doesn’t realize what he/she is doing and could hurt the cat, provoking scratches or bites, which will or not provoke an infection. A child grabs everything he/she can reach, including cat’s feces, which are highly infectious. Examples are legion.
                                                                                Small children, pregnant woman and immunodepressed patients are very vulnerable. I would keep a small child away from kittens and cats that don’t belong to my household, particularly feral cats of course. I would avoid at all costs any contact with the cat’s litter.

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                                                                                    Thank you Pluto!
                                                                                    It just so happens my friends child was scratched today very close to the eye.
                                                                                    I will say that they can’t play near them at all and will make a special area away from cats.
                                                                                    It’s just too risky and these cats don’t look the most healthy of cats. (they are not at my house)

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