Builders v domestic electric

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    Kriticat
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        Can anyone tell me the cost per unit of so called builders electric?
        Thanks

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            I don’t know but I did a search for "DEH" and got this:
            http://greece.angloinfo.com/housing/setting-up-home/electricity/

            … where it states that "The PPC website has information in English on the electricity tariffs, "

            Clicking on the link provided took me here:
            https://www.dei.gr/echome.aspx?lang=2

            Scrolling to the bottom of the page (blue banner) finds the link to "Tariffs".

            I’ll let you do the rest.  :)

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            Kriticat
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                Thanks Kefalas, I’d found that, but I’ve been told that builders electric is much more than normal, but can’t find out how much more!!! I tried calling DEH but I get transferred to a number that never answers!

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                    It has been three years since we changed over from Builders to domestic (a new build property) but looking at the bills it was then running about half of domestic. We had to change supply within five years of its setting up for construction etc.

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                        Any KEP office should be able to help you.

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                            From my terrible experiences of builders v domestic electricity prices per unit – builders electricity is usually double the domestic tariff. I don’t imagine that has changed over the past few years but I could be wrong!

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                                https://www.dei.gr/Documents2/TIMOLOGIA/TIMOL25072014/G21EPAGGE.pdf

                                Spent a while trying to find it and it’s not very easy to find this link not sure if I could doo it again! Builders electric is usually marked T21 on the front of a bill and once everything is signed over to the new owner it goes to domestic which is T1. Problem with this document is that it’s in Greek! However it looks like the unit price per kwh is 0.10 something. According to my latest bill he unit price for domestic is 0.0946. Don’t know if this helps! :-/

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                                    Here are all the right words but not necessarily in the right order! :)

                                    PROFESSIONAL G21
                                    Offices, shops, communal, workshops, small workshops, garages, etc.

                                    Charges Notice (with effect from 07.25.2014)
                                    Zone Energy Charge (€ / kWh)
                                    All year 0.10153
                                    Fixed Fee (€ / month): 0.53

                                    Regulated Charges (with effect from 01.06.2014)
                                    NETWORK TRANSMISSION OTHER CHARGES (€ / kWh) NETWORK SERVICES UTILITIES (€ / kWh) charge applies (€ / kVA * SI / year) Energy charge (€ / kWh) Power charge (Unit Fixed Charge) (€ / kVA * SI / year) Energy charge (Unit Variable charge) (€ / kWh) 0,52 0,00454 0,00046 1,50 (for providing up to 25kVA) 0,0190 0.01824

                                    Charge power: the agreed input (SI) providing

                                    Note:

                                    the G21V assimilated to the G21
                                    invoice Period: 120 days.
                                    If the count relating to a different period, then the Fixed Fee is proportional charge using the coefficient, D = days period consumption / 30 days.

                                    For information on tariffs PPC, please contact the information number provided on your account

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                                        Thanks everyone.
                                        I’m not sure that builders, or construction, electricity (T21) is the same as commercial/professional (G21) I’d found that doc but it says it’s for offices, shops, workshops etc.
                                        The "builders electric" is connected for construction purposes, once your house is built you go onto residential, and I’ve been told it is much cheaper – just thought someone might know how much builders is E/kWh.
                                        If it is the same as commercial it doesn’t seem that much different. I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough…

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                                            Hello Kriticat.

                                            You haven’t explained why you want to know how much builder’s electric costs. Is it because you have received red bill from the DEH saying that you must either renew the builder’s electric for another term (for two years if I remember correctly) or convert to permanent electric within so many weeks or you will be cut off? Let me give you the scenario that applied to us. Whether or not you can gain anything useful from this information will depend on your situation.

                                            We had a signed contract with our builder that stated they would pay for all the IKA payments for their workforce which meant we didn’t have to worry about that side of things. The property got built in 10 months and we were on builder’s electric when we moved in. After asking a number of people we trusted we were told that "builder’s electric is cheaper than permanent electric so you might as well stay on it". We naively didn’t make any further enquiries about the pros and cons of that situation.

                                            Anyway just before two years after the construction began (we had been living in the property for 12 month by then) we had a letter from the DEH saying that unless we either renewed the builder’s electric for another term or convert to permanent electric within so many weeks (six I think it was) we would be cut off? Panic, panic, panic. We go off to the DEH office in Chania who advised that in order to convert to permanent electric, which by then we wanted to do, we needed a number of properly stamped documents, which we didn’t have then, to prove that: a) the electrics had been installed correctly (this was from the electrician’s union office in Chania), b) the plumbing had been installed correctly (this was from the plumber’s office in Chania), and c) all the IKA for the workforce had been paid (this was part of our builder’s contract so we were not too concerned about that – at that time!).

                                            We got items a) and b) after a lot of faffing about so it only left item c) to get so we made enquiries at the IKA office. We found out that the builder hadn’t paid any of the IKA for his workforce all the way through the building phase. Had he done so when he should have the total cost of the IKA to him under the terms of our contract on the property was €5000. However since he had not paid any of that IKA payment the outstanding amount, with accrued interest, that had to be paid before we could get the necessary item c) for our permanent electric was €22,000. Since our builder had gone bust after the property was completed we had to pay all of that €22,000.

                                            So Kriticat, it really depends on your situation. If it is like ours above then I would not be too concerned about whether builder’s electric costs less than permanent electric but more on ensuring that all the IKA payments for your build have been paid by your builder, because if they haven’t you could end up with an enormous bill that you hadn’t planned for.

                                            Also, I would very strongly recommend that you keep a good lawyer engaged in your property transactions until you are successfully put onto permanent electric because they will ensure that everything is done correctly.

                                            I hope this reply opens your eyes to one of the pits that unscrupulous builders could drop you in if you are not careful. Hopefully it will not apply to you.

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                                                Are you aware that you can reduce your electricity costs by up to 90% by installing 6 to 8 solar PV panels approx cost €4,500 ::). I am not recommending disconnecting your DEH electricity supply but you could run your home on solar PV generated electricity for most of the year and reduce your consumption of mains electricity by up tp 90%… I would recommend that any person building a new house give serious consideration to staying off grid and installing a stand alone Solar PV system with batteries which would cost around €12,000 for a standard 3 bed home. Everybody complains about the rising cost of electricity but there is a choice…..generate your own electricity…with over 300 days of sunshine in Crete…and on cloudy days a PV systems will still generate up to 50% of its capacity. ;D…Finbar.

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