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  • #19322
    Mele
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        If you think about it, the 26% figure is only recognised by those officially on the books. Take the numbers that still work black and this figure is a lot higher. Maybe the 50% figure is closer than thought, who knows.

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        #19323
        Herby
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            Jon
            Please do not quote my countries benefit rules to me. I am well aware of them!

            7E455A4E584346464F582A0 wrote: Recipients are eligible for at most 12 months……………………..those laid off over the last four years have been salaried State paid employees they would qualify for the above unemployment payments.

            Exactly!! After the first year they get nothing! So for 3 years they have been expected to pay property taxes etc from zero income.
            At the risk of repeating myself, I, and many others unemployed for over 12 months, get nothing from the state which is why I said that your following statement is not strictly correct:

            073C2337213A3F3F3621530 wrote:
            Basically, this means that over one quarter of the Greek working population are not contributing to the country’s coffers and are being paid to live by the 73% of people who still – at the moment – have a job.

            073C2337213A3F3F3621530 wrote:
            I wonder what will happen to the debt repayments when 50% of the people are unemployed and are being subsidised by the 50% who still have a job?

            This situation will never arise because, as you kindly point out, benefits are only paid for 12 months. As time goes on many of the unemployed (like me) will cease to get anything from the state.

            #19324
            latsida
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                exchange rate at the moment 120.78

                http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/market-overview-iag-flying-high-084400324.html

                did you have a wager with your " financial market’s guy " Jon?
                that would be more interesting than all this endless speculating ;)

                #19325
                Topdriller
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                    Ah Herby,

                    You’re splitting hairs – an idiom from my country.

                    Perhaps if you had explained your country’s benefit rules in a little more detail – as I did – instead of simply saying "I am unemployed and get nothing from the state yet I am still expected to pay property taxes etc" your comment would have made more of a contribution.

                    It was only after I very kindly looked up your country’s benefit regulations and explained them in a little more detail that you further clarified your position and explained you’d been out of work for twelve months. 

                    As for the property tax, it’s my understanding the unemployed in the UK also pay something towards the Council Tax – not quite the same tax but close – although it is heavily discounted.

                    Like me, you chose to come and live in your country and just like me you can presumably leave again if you wish to.  If not, then surely the onus is on you and other’s like you to effect the political changes necessary to make this country work again?

                    Jon

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                        "Greece

                        Unemployment benefits in Greece are administered through OAED (Labor Force Employment Organization) and are available only to laid-off salaried workers with full employment and social security payments during the previous two years. The self-employed do not qualify, and neither do those with other sources of income. The monthly benefit is fixed at the "55% of 25 minimum daily wages", and is currently 350 euros per month,[10] with a 10% increase for each under-age child. Recipients are eligible for at most 12 months; the exact duration depends on the collected number of ensema [ch941][ch957][ch963][ch951][ch956][ch945], that is social security payment coupons-stamps collected (id est days of work) during the 14 months before being laid off.[11]"

                        from wikipedia

                        #19327
                        Herby
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                            Jon,
                            I am not splitting hairs – I simply said (repeating for the 3rd time) that your statement was not strictly correct. I also explained why. I did not need to explain my current circumstances to correct your misleading statement just as I did not ask the source of your information.

                            0D36293D2B3035353C2B590 wrote:
                            like me, you chose to come and live in your country and just like me you can presumably leave again if you wish to.  If not, then surely the onus is on you and other’s like you to effect the political changes necessary to make this country work again?

                            I did not chose to live here (unlike you), I was born here! Agreed, I could leave and go to your country where, according to the UK press, I could claim lots of benefits. Do you really want me to add to the immigrants who currently outnumber the Brits in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Luton and Peterborough? (According to the last census)

                            You say that the onus is on me to effect political change. Should I join the riots or what? I have already asked, in another thread, who I should vote for. I still await your recommendations and reasons why.

                            #19328
                            Topdriller
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                                Herby,

                                My statement was 100% correct.  The unemployed – like your good self – still use the roads, still get their rubbish collected, still go to the hospital, still have children at school and so it goes on ad infinitum –  and all this paid for by those in work (or in Greece’s case those in work in Germany, France etc.)

                                I can’t believe you’ve not worked here on Crete for 12 months, unless of course you have a significant other who has employment and is happy to let you use the internet and phone line and chat with me every other day!

                                Most people who want to work here during the summer months can and a large number do without paying any IKA, tax etc.

                                If you want to see change in your country then perhaps an effective tax system, a fundamental culture change re tax and an untainted government would be a good starting point.

                                Jon

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                                latsida
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                                    Hi Jon, from the start of this year new qualifications have been introduced for those who work seasonal hours, and from next year even stricter ones are planned.

                                    also I think you will find that many unemployed do not receive all the health care benefits.

                                    "About half of Greece’s 1.2 million long-term unemployed lack health insurance, a number that is expected to rise sharply in a country with an unemployment rate of 25 percent "

                                    taken from

                                    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/world/europe/greek-unemployed-cut-off-from-medical-treatment.html?pagewanted

                                    #19330
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                                        624B4E5446514253270 wrote: Do you really want me to add to the immigrants who currently outnumber the Brits in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Luton and Peterborough? (According to the last census)

                                        Depends on how you define immigrants does it not?

                                        Andrew

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                                            Smack on Topdriller.

                                            It’s also worth noting that at least for some and probably many their current difficult situations are do a degree a consequence of their own decisions. In many economies around the world where social benefit systems are not considered to be particularly supportive (though this cannot really be said to apply to Greece), people save for the possibility of such hard times.

                                            Garrigue

                                            PS: I don’t think the word save is now in the new dictionaries, so for those who don’t have an old dictionary, its meaning is "to keep safe or rescue from harm or danger" – in this case money.

                                            #19332
                                            garrigue
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                                                Herby, is there something wrong with immigrants outnumbering the local population?

                                                #19333
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                                                    There’s a rumour circulating that Herby is in fact one of our erstwhile regulars having a bit of fun. If true, then there are two Herbies or should that be Herberts?

                                                    I’ve no problem with this – if true – because a good discussion is a good discussion but it does again beg the question why use pseudonyms in the first place?  We should all be happy to stand by what we write – good or bad – and by using our real names we’re probably more restrained (and civil) than if we hide behind a cloak of anonymity.

                                                    Jon

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                                                    YoMo2
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                                                        He’s irritating enough to be a troll………

                                                        Surely cannot be two allowed with same user name can there?

                                                        Andrew

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                                                        Topdriller
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                                                            Andrew,

                                                            No, but Herby does sound a lot like Fred and Ginger although I’m not sure Ginger was born on Crete.  They do both exist, and are a couple, although I’ve yet to see them trip the light fantastic.

                                                            As for my use of the British slang word Herbert or ‘erbert – I think it’s perfect for the contributor now calling themselves Herby – see the definition below!!

                                                            "A foolish, cheeky person. For many years, in London working-class slang, Herbert or ’Erbert was used to refer to any otherwise unnamed man or boy.  Gradually, probably by being used in phrases such as ‘silly ’erbert’, it came to have the more pejorative sense. There probably never was an eponymous Herbert; it was merely a common working-class name from the Edwardian era."

                                                            ;)

                                                            Jon

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                                                                Herbert by name, Herbert by nature?

                                                                His English is more perfectly idiomatic than I would have expected from someone born in Greece. Was he really born here?

                                                                Andrew

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                                                                latsida
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                                                                    the notion that people who are surviving on benefits ( not that they get any here) are doing so as a result of their own decisions or because they are feckless is a dangerous one.

                                                                    People lose their jobs for many reasons, many of which are entirely out of their control or wishes

                                                                    the way that the disadvantaged, sick or persecuted are treated surely should speak volumes about the maturity of the country’s values that they live in.

                                                                    this article speaks volumes about Bankers values, who invest/play with other peoples money to fund their bonuses  ;)
                                                                    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9799877/Goldman-mulls-bonus-delay-to-avo

                                                                    something wrong with the link so here is the gist of the article

                                                                    "The move, first reported in the Financial Times, means bankers could avoid paying the current 50pc rate of tax on their share awards. From April 6, the top rate of income tax will fall from 50pc to 45pc.
                                                                    The 50pc tax rate, introduced in 2010, applies to anyone earning over £150,000. A banker paid a £100,000 bonus on top of a £150,000 salary would save £5,000 in tax if his or her bonus was pushed back beyond April 6.
                                                                    Goldman is thought to be only considering the delay, but if it did decide to postpone the payment of share awards, it would only apply to 2010 and 2011 payments, not 2012 awards."
                                                                    another link

                                                                    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/5f44bcf0-5da9-11e2-ba99-00144feab49a.html#axzz2HwwmVaaB

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                                                                    latsida
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                                                                        so lets get back to the cost of living .

                                                                        this new measure looks interesting :D

                                                                        http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_14/01/2013_478279

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                                                                            Interesting article Latsida but it occurs to me that like so many of these ideas there is a fatal flaw.

                                                                            You will be able to leave without paying if you are not given a receipt…..but how many businesses do you know that give you a receipt BEFORE you have paid the bill?

                                                                            Shurely shome mishtake?

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                                                                                Is it April 1st?

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                                                                                latsida
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                                                                                    the exchange rate still going down , today 1.17.
                                                                                    Cameron’s speech and the UK economy mean that we will have months if not years of a weak pound against the Euro.

                                                                                    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/

                                                                                    :D :D

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