#Greece – Electricity Up July 1- But for Whom?

Forums Virtual Community, General Expat Discussion Cost of Living in Greece #Greece – Electricity Up July 1- But for Whom?

Cost of Living in Greece

This topic contains 7 replies, has 4 voices, and was last updated by  Finbar 27th March 2015 at 9:07 pm.

Viewing 8 posts - 1 through 8 (of 8 total)
  
  • Author
    Posts
  • #45321

    admin
    Keymaster
        • Topics: 560
        • Replies: 708
        • Total: 1268
        • Practcally Cretan
        • ★★★★★★
        Member since: 1st January 2005

        DEH Electricity Rates Up from July 1, But for whom?

        From July 1, 2014, according to a local news commentary, DEH the electricity supplier is putting up electricity charges (all over Greece not just Crete) from €19.90 to €40 a quarter. It is supposed to affect the category of "enterprise accounts" only. What is an enterprise account?

        ….don’t stop reading because if you are a regular "domestic" user, you may not be off the hook.

        Anyway, to me enterprise accounts suggests small to medium business users. Apparently not. Because the commentary also says the costs are being reduced to small business owners  who use token amounts of electricity – a very good thing, I must add.

        Questions are definitely being raised about holiday homes and second home owners who use below 800kWh every three months. Are we interpret this to mean holiday homes and second homes now fall into this enterprise category?

        It is all thoroughly confusing and typically Greek. Who is going to decide whether yours is a holiday home or a year round residence? Aha probably the answer is in your accountants hands. Haven’t they been asking for copies of your DEH bills in past few years especially if you stay here less than six months?

        What happens if you are a retired person and own a home here who is not living here year round? Nothing is said about that either?

        In essence what is being said is this: if a meter shows consumption below 2,000 kWh every four months, the extra charges will start from €19.90. If it is smidgeon over, say just a kilowatt hours in excess then the charges will be upped to the €40+ range increase.

        The original article in greek is here.
        Google translation is not very good. If you can advance this thread further please do so.
        I just hope this is just another punt to test market reaction and will not happen following the huge electricity rate hikes in 2012 and after. Haven’t we had enough?
        Thanks.

        Compare hotel prices and find the best deal - HotelsCombined.com

        #45583

        Kefalas
        Participant
            • Topics: 46
            • Replies: 306
            • Total: 352
            • Practcally Cretan
            • ★★★★★★
            Member since: 8th March 2014

            Just as an aside: in case some people are unaware, electricity here costs MORE per unit if you use MORE (unlike in the UK where the cost per unit goes down if you use more!)

            Consequently, we recently bought a gas oven (oven and rings complete) that runs off Calor gas. A €25 bottle lasts us 3 months or more. I’m hoping that the fact we no longer use an electric oven will drop us onto a lower tariff.

            #45766

            latsida
            Participant
                • Topics: 165
                • Replies: 2407
                • Total: 2572
                • Practcally Cretan
                • ★★★★★★
                Member since: 17th October 2006

                here are the tariffs Kefalas

                http://www.dei.gr/en/eksupiretisi-pelatwn/oikiakoi-pelates/timologia

                you have to apply for the off peak tariff and pay a small fee.

                this article from Ekatermerini explains the new charges.

                http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_20/06/2014_540735

                #45890

                Kefalas
                Participant
                    • Topics: 46
                    • Replies: 306
                    • Total: 352
                    • Practcally Cretan
                    • ★★★★★★
                    Member since: 8th March 2014

                    I’m in the "up to 2000 kWh" range and my last non-estimated bill in March was at € 0.946 per unit fixed charge (plus € 0.0208 per unit – greenhouse emissions charge).

                    We bought the gas oven since then but I’m doubtful that I’ll get down to the 800 kWh range for the cheaper tariff.

                    #45973

                    Finbar
                    Participant
                        • Topics: 4
                        • Replies: 15
                        • Total: 19
                        • BIC Junior Member
                        • ★★★
                        Member since: 11th July 2014

                        The cost of electricity is linked directly to the price of fossil fuels…oil and gas and currently the prices for Oil & gas are quite low…but this will change very soon and then the rises in the cost of electricity will start again….But rather than worrying about the cost of electricity and trying to reduce your consumption there is a choice,,,,,generate your own electricity using PV solar panels…a small system with 6 to 8 PV panels ( no batteries will generate up to 80% of your needs….and cost around €4,500 …but to go off grid and have your electricity supply disconnected ….which is a good option for a new house…the cost for a system for a standard 3 bed house would be around €12,000….but free electricity for the future…and you are also doing your part to save our planet… 8-)..Finbar,

                        #46027

                        admin
                        Keymaster
                            • Topics: 560
                            • Replies: 708
                            • Total: 1268
                            • Practcally Cretan
                            • ★★★★★★
                            Member since: 1st January 2005

                            Finbar you make a good point.

                            Now here’s the thing, I was keen to look into such a conversion concept, thinking that the Greek government was encouraging households to install solar panels so that any surplus electricity to a household’s needs would be fed back into the DEH network. This would offset the cost over time of such an installation. But then, Crete’s electricity supply raced ahead of demand and this practice was discouraged/ended/never started.

                            Any updates?

                            #46072

                            Kefalas
                            Participant
                                • Topics: 46
                                • Replies: 306
                                • Total: 352
                                • Practcally Cretan
                                • ★★★★★★
                                Member since: 8th March 2014

                                I think the situation is still the same. You can’t feed into the grid.

                                My friend had a complete system (solar and wind) installed about 7 years ago at a cost of €17,000. Costs have come down since then.

                                As I recall, it generates about 4kW most of the time, with batteries storing enough to last 24 hours. That’s not much margin if we have several overcast days with no wind but he tells me it has been OK. He just has to be careful in scheduling the washing machine, which takes quite a lot of power on days when the water isn’t hot.

                                My own small system generates only a couple of hundred watts when the sun shines, with batteries lasting about 5 hours. It’s enough to keep my computers and monitors running.

                                #46109

                                Finbar
                                Participant
                                    • Topics: 4
                                    • Replies: 15
                                    • Total: 19
                                    • BIC Junior Member
                                    • ★★★
                                    Member since: 11th July 2014

                                    It is possible to heat your home for fee on any day the sun shines..have a look at the video on youtube..https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Solar+room+heater+XL+20

                                    Low technologhy ..yes but they do work. ;)

                                  Viewing 8 posts - 1 through 8 (of 8 total)

                                  You must be logged in to reply to this topic.