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    wookeyhole
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        I have heard so many different tales from people about how to write a Greek will I would welcome some ‘real’ sound advice on how best to go about it from people who have recent completed one correctly. Thanks.  :-/

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        #17291
        Fowles
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            You can buy a very useful little book here called "Surviving Greek Bureaucracy", published by the Athens News, costs about 10 Euros. A very informative, easy to understand booklet dealing with all sorts of subjects including Marriage, Divorce, Taxes, Buying a Home, Renting a Home etc. and of course Making a Will. There are several ways of making a will here and you need to identify which one relates to your particular circumstances. ;) ;)

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                6B425A41485E2D0 wrote: You can buy a very useful little book here called "Surviving Greek Bureaucracy", published by the Athens News, costs about 10 Euros. 

                Can I just add a cautionary note.

                The Athens News is owned and mainly staffed by Americans. They sometimes quote rules and regulations which apply to American citizens without saying that they do not apply to people from countries which are part of the EEC.

                Just keep this in mind.

                John

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                Fowles
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                    The Publisher’s Preface quotes "Although more and more government is moving onto the web, Greek bureaucracy still operates largely by word of mouth. That is especially hard on non-native populations, repatriated Greeks and foreign-educated Greeks, most of whom are used to functional bureaucracies. These are the communites we have set out to serve in Greece’s weekly, English language newspaper, the Athens News." "hundreds of questions answered in Surviving Greek Bureaucracy." "European Union citizens and non-Europeans residing in Greece will both find the answers they require."

                    Can I ask you RIC, if you have this book and if so, have you read it? :-?

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                        My comment was prompted by reading articles in the Athens News over the past few years and not from the book.

                        A few months back they detailed import duties on various items. These duties were only applicable to items imported from the USA. They made no mention that these did not apply to goods from other EEC countries.

                        Prior to that they detailed residency requirements, again only applicable to US citizens and again no mention that they did not apply to EEC citizens.

                        I am not casting doubt on the book, I have not read it, but if you are to rely on it for factual information I do think that my note of caution was justified in view of their newspaper articles.

                        As for making a will in Crete, I am sure that the same rules will apply irrespective of your nationality.

                        As an aside, I do not believe that it is possible to write a definative book on Greek bureaucracy. How can it be when the requirements to obtain a residency permit vary from town to town? I was only asked for my passport, photographs and a few Euros, friends were asked for house deeds/rent book and bank statements to prove they could support themselves. Different garages in the same town want different documents before they will sell you a new car. etc etc.

                        John

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                        Fowles
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                            Read the book before making comments that could put people off buying it when it is an excellent source of information and lets face it more believable than some of the rubbish people write on this and other forums.

                            "As an aside, I do not believe that it is possible to write a definative book on Greek bureaucracy."

                            This book is "A Cradle-to Grave Guide to the State" as quoted on the front of it – it could be nothing else than a guide given the amount of Greek bureaucracy involved in the simplest task. However, it gives clear rules and regulations that apply to anybody living in Greece.

                            The answers to the question about wills is very well explained in this book and very clear, unlike some of the drivvle that you get from people who have no idea but just have to involve themselves for te hell of it.

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                            latsida
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                                RIC, Beurocracy is gradually changing here and they are much stricter now on requirements for permits
                                We have recently renewed our Residency permits and because we are pensioners all we needed were passports, IKA books, photos and we paid nothing because it was a renewal.
                                They need to know that you can support yourself here and have adequate medical insurance whether that is IKA or private.
                                (we had been previously told that they might need bank statements but they were not required )so people of working age may need to prove that they can afford to live here and have work etc.
                                Wills ,as in the UK, are best dealt with by the Solicitor and Notary
                                think they charge about 50 euros.
                                Depending on your finances and family concerns it is wise to do all the research you can,there are various excellent publications like the one that Fowles recommends .
                                However legislation is changing all the time ,as anyone who is having a home built here will appreciate,so try to search on the Web for as much information as you can. There are Solicitors on line who can answer questions authoritatively.
                                The trouble with asking questions on a forum is that so many people have different experiences so there is no definitive answer .
                                For example I have a friend who sadly lost her husband here and she had to wait 3 years for probate to be granted , another person may have had theirs granted much earlier, so you see this is hearsay and not a definitive answer.

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                                    270E160D0412610 wrote:
                                    The answers to the question about wills is very well explained in this book and very clear, unlike some of the drivvle that you get from people who have no idea but just have to involve themselves for te hell of it.

                                    So why not share this information with us and tell us all what the book says rather than having a go at me?

                                    The answer to most questions on this board could be "Go buy a book". I don’t think that is what members sign up for (but I could be wrong).

                                    John

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                                        Copyright?

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                                            Two links which may give you some information Wookeyhole.

                                            http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Europe/Greece/Inheritance

                                            http://www.helleniccomserve.com/organizeafterlife.html

                                            I have a UK will covering UK property and assets and a separate one to cover Greek property and assets. A copy of my Greek will is held by my UK solicitor and the original is lodged with the Notary in Rethymnon.

                                            Kathleen

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                                            Fowles
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                                                "So why not share this information with us and tell us all what the book says rather than having a go at me?"

                                                Because I don’t have the time to type out 9 pages of text!

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                                                    24293C3B212C29480 wrote: RIC, Beurocracy is gradually changing here and they are much stricter now on requirements for permits
                                                    We have recently renewed our Residency permits and because we are pensioners all we needed were passports, IKA  books, photos and we paid nothing because it was a renewal.They need to know that you can support yourself here and have adequate medical insurance whether that is IKA or private.

                                                    My first, and only, residency permit was issued in February this year!

                                                    It was issued when I produced my passport, 4 (?) passport type photographs and, if I remember correctly, five Euros by the nice man at the main police station in Ag. Nik.

                                                    I have also bought two new cars, one in 2005 and one in 2008, when I did not have a residency permit. Every book I have read says that you cannot do this.

                                                    Perhaps I just look honest and trustworthy!

                                                    John

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                                                        Thanks to those who have replied to my original general question about Greek wills. Perhaps I can now follow it up with three other more specific and hopefully less controversial questions that could provide me with the specific information I am currently seeking so that I can start drafting one out:

                                                        1. Does it need to be in Greek or can it be written in plain English?

                                                        2. Can it have my simple concise requirements stated or must it have some ‘special’ legalistic jargon on top of those?

                                                        3. Can it be lodged directly with the Notary in a sealed envelope or MUST I go through a solicitor (lawyer) for it to be valid?

                                                        I shall certainly read the book "Surviving Greek Bureaucracy" with due caution as recommended.

                                                        Thanks Kathleen (x5kmt) for your very useful information about where to lodge the wills when completed.

                                                        Geoff

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                                                            Check your PM’s Geoff.

                                                            Kathleen

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                                                                Can I conclude by saying thank you Fowles. I have now seen the 235 page book called Surviving Greek Bureaucracy by the Athens News and I agree whole-heartedly with you when you say that it is "a very informative, easy to understand book dealing with all sorts of subjects" and that it is "an excellent source of information".

                                                                At 10 Euros it is very good value for the wide variety of unbiased information that it provides, in a no-nonsense and easy to understand way, on all the subjects that are important to us Brits. It will be especially useful to any newcomers to Crete, despite what RIC says about it above.

                                                                Thank you also to x5kmt for your really helpful information.

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