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    PLUTO
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        Age is a burden! I opened this topic recently and realise only now that it is incomplete and incoherent, thanks to the pertinent comment of Latsida. Let’s start from scratch.
        Greek courses are organised by the Ministry of Continuous Education and Religions ([ch933][ch960][ch959][ch965][ch961][ch947][ch949][ch943][ch959] [ch928][ch945][ch953][ch948][ch949][ch943][ch945][ch962] [ch916][ch943][ch945] [ch914][ch943][ch959][ch965] [ch924][ch940][ch952][ch951][ch963][ch951][ch962] [ch954][ch945][ch953] [ch920][ch961][ch951][ch963][ch954][ch949][ch965][ch956][ch940][ch964][ch969][ch957] = [ch915].[ch915].[ch916].[ch914].[ch924].), more precisely by the Institute of Continuous Education for Adults ([ch921][ch957][ch963][ch964][ch953][ch964][ch959][ch973][ch964][ch959] [ch916][ch953][ch945][ch961][ch954][ch959][ch973][ch962] [ch917][ch954][ch960][ch945][ch943][ch948][ch949][ch965][ch963][ch951][ch962] [ch917][ch957][ch942][ch955][ch953][ch954][ch969][ch957] = [ch921].[ch916].[ch917][ch922].[ch917]). This institute organises not only Greek courses, but many other courses as well (technologies, basic knowledge courses, economy, other European languages, etc.)
        There are various and different Greek courses, one of them is the program called “Odysseas” ([ch927][ch948][ch965][ch963][ch963][ch941][ch945][ch962]), which is primarily intended to teach Greek, Greek history, culture and civilisation to citizens of the E.U. and to immigrants from outside the E.U. aged 16 and above in classes with at least 15 people. 
        The goals of these lessons are (and I quote): to promote and facilitate the integration of the foreigners and their family into the Greek community so as to avoid social isolation; to assist the increasing mobility between members of the EU; to facilitate professional insertion; to assure and equal chance to those who want to learn;
        to promote the Greek language and culture
        The program is divided into 2 levels: A1 for beginners (125 hours) and A2 for advanced students (175 hours), after which the student is allowed to present an exam at the [ch915].[ch915].[ch916].[ch914].[ch924]. to obtain a Certificate level 2, which give the holder the right to “stay for good in Greece” and to find work or open a business.
        The lessons are organised in all the provinces and are free. Minimum participation is 15 students. They start in September and last till April.
        This program is very serious and to succeed, it takes hard work at home.
        The second kind of Greek courses are also organised by the [ch921].[ch916].[ch917][ch922].[ch917]., to be more precise by the local K.E.E. ([ch922][ch941][ch957][ch964][ch961][ch959] [ch917][ch954][ch960][ch945][ch943][ch948][ch949][ch965][ch963][ch951] [ch917][ch957][ch942][ch955][ch953][ch954][ch969][ch957] = Educational centre for adults). They are held from October until May for adults, unemployed or working, of any nationality and religion older than 18 (except for gypsies: 15 years old) in classes with at least 12 to 20 people. Each course has 50 hours duration. A “certificate of formation” is delivered after 50 – 75 hours and a “certificate of continuous education” after 75 – 250 hours attendance.
        The goal of these classes is to give the opportunity to everyone to acquire a new or to freshen up abilities and/or capacities or knowledge to facilitate him/her an easier and better insertion into the working community.

        Remarks:
        – You’ve probably heard that the Government has drastically reduced the number of provinces, which results in a reduced number of mayors, less expenses and also less places to organise Greek classes. Where before every municipality could theoretically organise these lessons, now they are limited to the nearby towns.
        – If the local authorities don’t have the minimum inscriptions, they don’t organize them. They will also judge opportunity to open or not a session based on the nationalities involved and on their budget. That’s why you won’t find a Greek class in your region, either because it has been cancelled, either because there were not enough inscriptions. During this season, only 51 centres are open in Greece. You’ll find their location on this address: http://kee.ideke.edu.gr/?p=centers
        – If students quit the course and the number of inscriptions drops under the limit, the course will be cancelled.
        Final remarks:
        – The goal of the Odysseas course is very clear: It’s intended to teach Greek thoroughly and seriously to foreigners, mainly immigrants, who want to live and work in Greece and obtain a permanent residence permit. Obtaining a Ministerial Diploma at the end proves its seriousness and validity.
        – The goal of the other K.E.E. Greek courses (9 different) is less demanding: giving access to basic knowledge in Greek to be able to communicate with the locals.
        There are two main problems with these second classes:
        • The classes are attended by people of every age. This means that older persons often have difficulties following the rhythm and in memorizing the matter, which slows the younger or cleverer ones.
        • The classes are attended by people of every nation, which causes communication problems and often quite some tumult.
        • Unfortunately, in some K.E.E. centres, these lessons are given by inexperienced young teachers.

        Final conclusion: Don’t expect to learn Greek if you are a tourist-student or intend to “grasp a few things”! The Odysseas program is at a much too high level for that. The other K.E.E. courses are very basic and will satisfy only a few, depending on the teacher and on the composition of the class. Everything depends on what you’re aiming at.
        Hoping to have been of any help, friendly yours, Pluto.

        #29153
        latsida
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            Hi Pluto,
            I have been attending these classes for many years in Agios Nikolaos and therefore can only speak for this area.
            I have never attended a class with "Albanians, Rumanians, Russian, Poles," not that that would matter.
            In my last class there were Germans Austrians Danish Irish and the rest were from the UK, mostly women men seem to drop out very quickly.
            The class was conducted in English which all the other nationalities could speak .
            The criteria for the classes was changed a couple of years ago and the teaching is now much more intense.

            I have attended an A2 class  , and am waiting to hear when this years class will commence. The A1 class started last week.
            I have completed these courses and the exams, I have been taught by three different teachers over the years none of whom were newly qualified all of which were very competent and teach locally .
            Obviously if you can afford to have private one to one lessons or with a small group this is better but if you are serious about learning Greek then these classes are excellent.

            scroll down for the English version
            http://www.odysseas2010.blogspot.com/

            #29400
            PLUTO
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                • BIC Old Hand
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                Good morning Latsida,
                I certainly will not discuss neither have any doubts about your comment. It is a fact that some regions are more favorised than others are, and that’s certainly the case of Agios Nicolaos, a wealthy town, with plenty of North Europeans. I can assure you though that on the West coast East block citizens are a majority. Every region has its own particularities. And on the continent it’s again completely different. You did well to write those precisions that I’ve forgot to mention.
                It’s heartwarming to read that someone had the opportunity and courage and willpower to end both A1 and A2 courses! You were lucky to have competent teachers, but then again, it was for a privileged audience on the East coast. A proof of this is, that your lessons were given in English, which is absolutely prohibited by the organizers. But I admit, I use to break the law too once and a while.
                What’s also very indicative is that the majority of the students were and still are women! Even in schools girls are in majority, as well as in universities. The world is bound – not doomed! – to be ruled by women, which will give us, men, more time to do …. But what are we going to do?
                May we conclude like this: although those courses are not primarily intended for inactive residents – I insist – people interested in those classes should grab the opportunity and attend them and evaluate their usefulness, if not the competence of the teacher and decide whether to continue or not, in which case they should try to find an alternative solution. Motivation and willpower, more than brainpower, are primary stimuli to succeed!
                Friendly yours, Pluto

                #29565
                latsida
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                    Hi Pluto,
                    I agree entirely with your sentiments.
                    the opportunities are there and you either grasp them and make the best of what is offered or give up at the first hurdle.
                    I learnt yesterday about the commencement of the A2 class in this region at my saturday lesson.
                    They are to be held four days a week, two four hour lessons and two of three hours and I am sorry to say that I could not do these hours and so will not be attending.
                    I will carry on with my Saturday class though.
                    Maybe next year they will start the course earlier so as not to cram in so many hours a week. Apparently the course ,which is 175 hours, needs to be completed before the hotels and other establishments open for the season.
                    Maybe we are privileged here in the East in that they have been organizing these courses , or their forerunners ,for many years, our teacher did not speak any English when we started the second level course and it was conducted in Greek but gradually as the weeks went by he found a common language in English if he needed to explain something that none of us understood, now he speaks good English and I am still struggling with my Greek 8-)

                    #29695
                    latsida
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                        Today I learnt that the Odysseus CLasses will be starting soon.
                        anyone who wishes to learn Greek in the Lasithi region please send me a PM and I will forward them details, or you can go to your local KEP office after Wednesday 10th April where they will have the enrollment forms

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