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    alfred e neuman
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        Hi,don’t know if it’s been covered anywhere but there is a new property tax for which you have to go to your local demos to register for,taking things like,passport,electric bill,topograph,contract for house purchase or new build,tax number,cut off point is supposed to be 21st sept,but will be extended,apparently people not currently here need to get power of attorney from their own country for somebody here,which then has to be officially translated here
        good luck !

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        #41144
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            Hi, where did you find this out from?
            I went to the local Demos today and they did not know anything about this.

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            Herby
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                Obviously, if you don’t register you don’t have to pay!

                I suspect that this is a wind up! If you have a property they already have your details and would send you a bill.

                Any doubts – then ask your accountant.

                6273677E616123232A6A74120 wrote: ,apparently people not currently here need to get power of attorney from their own country for somebody here,which then has to be officially translated here

                This statement is nonsense!!
                If you are not here then you need to give power of attorney to someone here to act on your behalf, in which case it will not need to be translated!

                Another indication that it is a wind up?

                #41645
                Topdriller
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                    #41802
                    alfred e neuman
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                        Hi – again,firstly i do not waste my time or other peoples with false postings,the new tax involves all properties,even ruins & land owned,previous tax focused on property with electric,when we went to our demos it was packed with greek people with their paperwork,whilst there we bumped into our lawyer,who is also now the lawyer for our district & the mayors lawyer,he took us to see the deputy mayor who told us what needs to be done for people not currently here,with regard to power of attorney,it stands to reason that if you have this done in another >:( country,uk,holland,germany etc,it will have to be translated into greek.but then what do i know,i’ve only lived here for more than 6 years,bought a car,bought land,had a house built,registered for ika

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                        Herby
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                            3322362F303072727B3B25430 wrote: ,with regard to power of attorney,it stands to reason that if you have this done in another >:( country,uk,holland,germany etc,it will have to be translated into greek.but then what do i know,i’ve only lived here for more than 6 years,bought a car,bought land,had a house built,registered for ika

                            You totally miss the point of "power of attorney".
                            The sole object of this is to appoint somebody in Greece to act on your behalf. Silly question, but why appoint somebody in the UK Holland etc to act on your behalf in Greece?

                            Since you give yourself a reference, here is mine:
                            Born in Athens, Educated in Greece and a UK university, lived all my life in Greece except for 20 years spent in the UK when I was married to a Brit. On my divorce (in 1998) I returned to Greece. Currently own an apartment in Athens, a house on Crete and 20 stremma on another island. Greek is my native tongue (do you speak Greek?) and I file my own tax returns here without resorting to an accountant. My English, as you can tell, is not too bad either. I also speak German fluently, my Spanish is not bad and I can get by in Malay.

                            By the way, houses do not have "electric", they have electricity. "Electric" is an adjective not a noun, but then you knew that as well didn’t you? (I also give English lessons to Greeks, and Greek lessons to the English.)

                            Jon,
                            The first link you posted refers to the property tax which we all (or most of us) paid last year and is being repeated this year. This is not a "new new tax".

                            #42017
                            Tedblue
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                                I have a feeling that the    ‘new new tax’ that alfred is refering to is the one that is supposed to replace the current system of paying the tax on our electricity bills.

                                Not a perfect translation, but it gives a general idea of the new system.

                                http://translate.google.gr/translate?hl=el&langpair=el|en&u=http://www.tovima.gr/finance/article/%3Faid%3D474953

                                The original artical in Greek

                                http://www.tovima.gr/finance/article/?aid=474953

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                                    5B72776D7F687B6A1E0 wrote: By the way, houses do not have "electric", they have electricity. "Electric" is an adjective not a noun, but then you knew that as well didn’t you? (I also give English lessons to Greeks, and Greek lessons to the English.)

                                    Impressive linguistic CV but you failed to mention the chip on your shoulder! 

                                    Why get on your high horse (idiom) when someone simply tries to be helpful? 

                                    I’m sure the ever changing tax situation across here is a worry to many and if someone wants to pass on their experience(s) then surely that is a good thing?

                                    Jon

                                    ps Brits sometimes do use the word "electric" in place of electricity.  You might like to check the link below to the Free Online Dictionary.

                                    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/electric

                                    What’s more, electricity is also referred to as the "Leccy" in some parts of the country.

                                    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Leccy

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                                        Thank you Tedblue for your link to that interesting article. I’m having difficulty though in understanding why the Greek Government, who are desperate to raise additional taxes, are proposing a reformed property tax system which would appear to produce significantly less tax revenue than the current flawed method. The devil though is in the detail and I don’t know how much additional income the currently untaxed land will produce.

                                        This proposed new unified property tax does not explain alfred e neuman’s assertion that  "we went to our demos it was packed with greek people with their paperwork,"
                                        The Greeks only normally react after the deadline has passed and certainly not in anticipation of a proposed law. (legalising illegal builds being the most recent example in ignoring the 1st deadline and the 2nd and the 3rd etc etc.)

                                        John

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                                            #42290
                                            alfred e neuman
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                                                As topdriller (many thanks) kindly pointed out,i was only trying to carry out somewhat naively it seems,what i thought was the purpose of this site,to exchange news & opinions,obviously my mistake,also my mistake,i thought
                                                this site was ‘BRITS IN CRETE’,not greeks in crete

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                                                Herby
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                                                    675C4357415A5F5F5641330 wrote:

                                                    Why get on your high horse (idiom) when someone simply tries to be helpful?

                                                    I’m sure the ever changing tax situation across here is a worry to many and if someone wants to pass on their experience(s) then surely that is a good thing?

                                                    I am sure that the tax situation is a worry to many. However, are their worries lessened or increased by reading posts that cannot be verified and no one has provided a link to this so called new new tax legislation? I am sure alfred e neuman was trying to be helpful but, my opinion only, what he said was not helpful. As far as I am aware, from reading the Greek newspapers, this land tax is only one of many proposals which have yet to be verified by parliament. I suggest that speculation is useless until the final decisions have been made.

                                                    675C4357415A5F5F5641330 wrote:
                                                    ps Brits sometimes do use the word "electric" in place of electricity. You might like to check the link below to the Free Online Dictionary…………………….What’s more, electricity is also referred to as the "Leccy" in some parts of the country.

                                                    People use all sorts of slang terms to describe things and people but that does not make them good grammar or good English.

                                                    Lastly, why, yet again, have you resorted to personal insults?

                                                    Alfred e,
                                                    As a Greek with an English partner, I try to be helpful to others.

                                                    #42378
                                                    latsida
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                                                        people seem to be confusing the two taxes.
                                                        there is a special tax on homes and other possessions, pools cars planes etc. worth over a certain amount, this is a yearly tax.

                                                        I do not pay this.

                                                        then there is a property duty which is paid with your Electricity bill in five installments, everyone pays this and the amount is determined by your homes square meterage and your zone area price.

                                                        I have not heard of any other tax.

                                                        the Government are trying to consolidate the system because many people did not pay the duty or their bills and the PPC lost revenue.
                                                        the PPC also do not wish to be used as the collector for this duty even though they already collect the ERT payment plus the amounts we pay to our local Demos each month.

                                                        as alfred e neuman says he is inly trying to help spread the "news" about a "new new tax" , but wires seem to have got crossed somewhere maybe it was lost in translation

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                                                            Herby,

                                                            Look up the English word ‘snide’ and then re read your initial post to Alfred E. Neuman.

                                                            You called his (or perhaps her) comments a wind up and nonsense. Is that any less personal than suggesting a chip on ones shoulder?

                                                            And why the linguistic rundown of one’s talents, impressive though they are? Was this to belittle Alfred E., to simply show your language superiority or was there some other reason?

                                                            Jon

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                                                            Herby
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                                                                18233C283E252020293E4C0 wrote:
                                                                You called his (or perhaps her) comments a wind up and nonsense. Is that any less personal than suggesting a chip on ones shoulder?

                                                                Jon, please read what I wrote.

                                                                240D081200170415610 wrote:
                                                                I suspect that this is a wind up! If you have a property they already have your details and would send you a bill.

                                                                Note the word “suspect” and my justified reason for saying it.
                                                                As for my comment about the power of attorney, the statement was a nonsense or, if you prefer, factually incorrect for the reasons I stated. Do you, Jon, actually think that what he said was right?

                                                                18233C283E252020293E4C0 wrote: And why the linguistic rundown of one’s talents, impressive though they are? Was this to belittle Alfred E., to simply show your language superiority or was there some other reason?

                                                                I did this, as I stated at the time, in response to this:

                                                                39283C253A3A787871312F490 wrote:
                                                                but then what do i know,i’ve only lived here for more than 6 years,bought a car,bought land,had a house built,registered for ika

                                                                In my opinion he was sarcastically suggesting that having been here for 6 years and done a few things he knew it all. My response adopted the same tone.

                                                                Now Jon, please go away and pick a fight with somebody else, I have said all I have to say.

                                                                Have a good evening.

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                                                                Topdriller
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                                                                    Herby,

                                                                    I’m sure if you say it enough times you’ll eventually convince yourself your original reply to Alfred E. Newman’s post was the modicum of politeness and decorum.

                                                                    Jon

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                                                                        675C4357415A5F5F5641330 wrote: Herby,

                                                                        I’m sure if you say it enough times you’ll eventually convince yourself your original reply to Alfred E. Newman’s post was the modicum of politeness and decorum.

                                                                        Jon

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