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  • #40616
    Fowles
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        A friend has asked me to make an enquiry on here in case anybody can help her with the following: her accountant has asked to to obtain a Pistopoihtiko forologikihs katoikias paper from her tax man in the UK to present to her. Does anybody know the English translation of the above? Thanks.

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            #41342
            Fowles
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                Thank you Paul, just what I needed, thanks for your help.

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                    The request from your friend’s accountant would seem to have arisen from a new ministerial decision that might impact other non – tax residents described here by KPMG.

                    (I came across this link on the Greece is Home forum after your post yesterday).

                    Paul

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                        HMRC have a fairly straightforward online form to get the certificate. This new requirement was only introduced on 27th June that only gave 2 working days to get everything sorted and to the accountants to meet the deadline of July 2nd – ha ha !

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                            69474242474F4071716B5D464B424C572E0 wrote: HMRC have a fairly straightforward online form to get the certificate.

                            Link here:https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/PT_CertOfRes?dept-name=&sub-dept-name=&location=43&origin=http://www.hmrc.gov.uk

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                                Thank you Eleni for the link. The next problem it would seem is that now her accountant is saying that the form needs to be translated!

                                Can anybody confirm that they have had to present this form to their accountant yet? It is ridiculous to give you less than 5 days to sort things out and threaten you with a fine of 1000 Euros if you don’t produce it before 16th July!!

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                                    Sounds like yet another con to get money out of expats!!!!! Time to say F O, you lot have had enough! It was always TOTALLY impossible to produce the documentation in such a short time – so nice little earner if you then get fined 1000 Euros. I’ve not been asked for my P60 and I don’t know anyone who has. Good luck to your friend!

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                                        Hi Gem that’s the feeling you get from all this bloody silly rule making! She wasn’t asked for a P60 but thought it would give them the information they wanted in the time that she was given which was about 5 days! Surely your P60 is proof that you have been paying tax in the UK, which she has and has a UK address but they just choose to ignore that and demand "the" document they requested which was a Residency Certificate. I’d like to hear from anybody who has produced this certificate in time for this years tax return??

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                                            I have been asked by our accountant for a certificate of tax residence. So first I rang tax office in uk lady very rude and said it was not needed! So rang again and got a different person, this time quiet polite said never heard of form and I should send a letter to them as they were busy may take 4-5 weeks to reply? I asked why they could not ask someone else there and could there be a download i could do? After a few second the reply was…Sorry I know nothing so please put request in writing. Can anyone point me in the right direction? It has to be tax residence cert not residence cert. Thanks to anyone who can help. BJ :-?

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                                                https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/PT_CertOfRes?dept-name=&sub-dept-name=&location=43&origin=http://www.hmrc.gov.uk

                                                I wish you luck.
                                                we sent off the forms to the UK ( not the online ones) the forms we sent were from the Hellenic Tax Authority see here ( the UK link does not seem to work but click on the German link they are the same forms)
                                                http://spaccountoffice.blogspot.gr/2012/09/applications-for-tax-certificate.html

                                                The forms need to be stamped and approved in the UK, one for the Greek Tax office and one for the UK tax office , they were given to us by the accountant
                                                my partner was granted his certificate but mine was refused, so now we must both be Tax residents here .
                                                I phoned the office that had sent my refusal  and they did not even ask for my NI Number.
                                                After holding on for around half an hour plus pressing buttons for all the various questions I managed to speak to someone who passed me on to her supervisor who could not help :o 

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                                                    BJ

                                                    The forms you require are indeed included in the second link Latsida provided under ‘UK’, however for some reason that, and all of my other sources are not opening, server problems at GSIS??

                                                    If you send me a contact Email address via PM I will try to copy them to you.

                                                    The two sets of completed forms (one retained by UK tax office) will need to be sent to the specialised unit at: HMRC, PAYE and Self Assessment, PO Box 1970, Liverpool L75 1WX, with a covering letter. I also include a copy of the completion instructions, just in case.

                                                    I have had no problems getting them stamped and returned for both years, desite the dreadful design of the form. The 2012 copies were sent off on the 29th Jan and were returned, completed and stamped, on Sat 15th Feb….remarkably good service I thought.

                                                    Kathleen

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                                                        Hope this helps. Here is a link to the forms you want

                                                        https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/PT_CertOfRes?dept-name=&sub-dept-name=&location=43&origin=http://www.hmrc.gov.uk

                                                        If it doesn’t work, cut and paste itintoyour browser. Takes about 2 – 3 weeks to get themback. You have to fill in one per person (ie a husband and wife must fill in one each).

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                                                            Ag Nik Addict

                                                            This form has already been referred to the previous postings by Eleni 13. Sadly Fowles, who posted again subsequent to her original request, is not the only one I have heard of being caned for translation costs by the Greek tax office….that was in addition to an Accountant being required to swear an affidavit with yet more cost!

                                                            My understanding is that it is only the GSIS forms which will be accepted, otherwise you can look forward to being levied with a Greek tax bill in addition to your UK tax.   

                                                            Incidently, the cut off date for supplying the Greek Authorities with the 2012 and, late in submission, 2011 forms is said to be 29th March 2013. Delay at your own risk!

                                                            Kathleen

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                                                            latsida
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                                                                I am glad that you had your forms returned so quickly Kathleen, mine took weeks and was unsuccessful, the reason given that I lived in Greece permanently, although my partners was returned completed and stamped.
                                                                It is causing more problems now as we both have to have the same tax situation here.
                                                                all I receive is my State pension and a very small personal pension less than £200 a year

                                                                To add to the irony of the situation I have today received my UK Tax code for 2013/14 :-?

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                                                                    I’m totally confused. I thought from the earlier posts that this form was to prove UK tax residency. Why were you asked for it Chris, as you are tax resident here? And why did UK tax man return the other form when you are both tax resident here?

                                                                    What exactly is this form for?

                                                                    Andrew

                                                                    PS Spoke to my accountant yesterday about another matter. He said he was so sick of all the problems with his foreign national clients that he was thinking of turning them all away. Showed me several books of guidance notes, all of which had several supplements issued days or weeks after the original to cope with rule changes. He said the whole thing has become impossible……

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                                                                        I was not tax resident here previously, but under the new 183 day rule I will be classed as tax resident in Greece by both the Greek and UK tax authorities

                                                                        I  tried many years ago to declare all our income here , we filled in all the UK forms had them all translated took them to the Tax office in Ag.Nik. but they were not interested on income earned outside Greece, but now times have changed 8-)

                                                                        This is not really a problem as I do not have enough income to pay tax anywhere  :)

                                                                        I think you will find that many Expats have been asked to send off these forms (I know of quite a few)

                                                                        p.s.

                                                                        An Accountant turning away work because of rules ;) surely some mistake :D :D :D

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                                                                            666B7E79636E6B0A0 wrote: An Accountant turning away work because of rules, surely some mistake

                                                                            Yeah, just shows how bad things have become…..

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                                                                                My original post was to show the inconsistencies of the UK Tax System which we have encountered recently 8-)

                                                                                However I can understand the difficulties for the Greek Tax offices now that the new Tax Laws are being applied, I should imagine that foreigners and their tax problems are the least of their worries ;) ;)

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                                                                                    4748425F41171415260 wrote: He said he was so sick of all the problems with his foreign national clients that he was thinking of turning them all away. 

                                                                                    Less income for him to conceal from the Taxman though…..or am I being cynical?   ::)

                                                                                    Kathleen

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