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  • #42590
    fireman sam
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        I have also applied online for the certificate of tax residency for both myself and my wife here in UK. My wife’s was returned completed, however after 6 weeks and re-applying for mine i still haven’t received it. I have made several phone calls to the so called helpline and no-one i have spoken to has any idea of what i require or can tell me when i can expect it. My attempt to register a complaint was met with the same dismissive attitude. I have also been given the other set of forms by my Greek accountant which i have now sent off for processing here. What chance of they being returned duly stamped? The whole thing is totally confusing and not helped by the total incompetence of HMRC. If you think dealing with a Greek accountant is frustrating try asking for something from HMRC. A third world service from a third world country.

        By the way, my accountant in Ag Nik has also said that this is the last year he will be dealing with us because of all the problems and has told us to find another accountant for next year.

        So thanks a lot HMRC. I have paid tax all my working life in UK and the first time i ask them for something they don’t give a ****

        #42602
        Fowles
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            646B70676F636C5D71636F020 wrote: So thanks a lot HMRC. I have paid tax all my working life in UK and the first time i ask them for something they don’t give a ****

            You would stand a much better chance of getting things done if you employed an accountant in the UK. Look around for a set annual fee for your tax affairs it is well worth paying a bit extra, so that they can do all the necessary communicating with HMRC. The biggest problem is getting correspondence to the right department, there are so many!!! Good luck.

            #42613
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                I think you may have been unlucky. We sent off our forms, they were returned within 10 working days by e-mail, which we forwarded to our accountant in Agios who is quite happy that they are what he needs, and job done.

                Maybe just try filling in the form again and sending it through electronically. Email does go astray, so perhaps a second try might be worthwhile.

                Oh and speaking as someone who has worked in the public sector all my life, most public servants actually do give an a*** as you so eloquently put it, and do their best in often quite difficult circumstances.

                #42624
                latsida
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                    I tried doing ours online but they were rejected, so I sent the forms which had to go to different offices depending on the pension providers.
                    mine was rejected, my partner’s ok’d.
                    I tried phoning the UK but it made no difference they did not even ask me for my ins. number to check any details.

                    I also sent over a request (to a different dept.) for a form for an EHIC card with the confirmation from the Greek IKA office of the IKA entitlement which the UK office had requested sadly I never got a reply . so no EHIC card :-?
                    as with everything it depends on your circumstances and who you are dealing with

                    #42633
                    Herby
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                        2D203532282520410 wrote:
                        I also sent over a request (to a different dept.) for a form for an EHIC card with my confirmation from the Greek IKA office of my IKA entitlement which the UK office had requested sadly I never got a reply . so no EHIC card :-?

                        If you qualify for IKA, you get your EHIC card from the IKA office here in Crete and not from the UK. You then have health cover here under IKA and cover in the rest of Europe under your Greek EHIC card.

                        #42642
                        latsida
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                            not now Herby your country of origin now issues it, that is how I got mine. see the link below

                            this is for my partner we queried why he had not received his app. form and they said the Greek authorities had not notified them of his IKA entitlement, so we got the Greek form sent it off and have heard nothing since, now the office in Ag. nik  has lost his details somewhere in transit from the Neapoli IKA since the changeover.
                            I knew I should have made a copy of the Greek form :'(

                            see here
                            http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcareabroad/EHIC/Pages/EUregulations.aspx

                            this quote below is taken from the above site and is the same reply that I got when I queried why he had not received the app form,

                            "on calling newcastle today to ask for an application form for my ehic i was told i couldnt be sent one untill they recieved back from the french authorities the copy of the s1 that was registered with them last may after i reached state retirement age
                            my french health cover has been sorted no problem, as ive been resident in france for over 10 years and im assured by the french authorities that a copy was sent back to newcastle last may"

                            #42651
                            Herby
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                                7B7663647E7376170 wrote: not now Herby your country of origin now issues it, that is how I got mine.

                                …………and what happens if you have worked in Greece and paid IKA for many years but your country of origin is outside the EU?

                                #42659
                                latsida
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                                    Herby I think you misunderstand.
                                    we have healthcare here with IKA however should we wish to visit another EU country we need an EHIC card to cover any healthcare we may need whilst there.
                                    before this new system came in if I was traveling to the UK or Germany I could go to IKA and they would issue a card now I have the one issued in the UK.

                                    it is a European system, although some other countries do have reciprocal agreements

                                    I have no idea how IKA entitlement or possession of an EHIC would affect health treatment in countries outside the EU.

                                    I do not suppose they would accept an EHIC card or my IKA Healthbook in the Maldives :D

                                    "The NHS is a residence-based healthcare system. Therefore, once you have moved permanently away from the UK you are no longer entitled to medical treatment under normal NHS rules.
                                    However, if you’re receiving a UK state pension or long-term incapacity benefit, you may be entitled to healthcare paid for by the UK. You will need to apply for form S1 (or an E121 if you are moving to Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Switzerland), which you need to present to the health authorities in your new country of residence. You will then be treated on the same basis as a resident of that country.
                                    To apply for your S1 or E121 contact the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) or The Pension Service.
                                    You cannot apply online for your UK-issued European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) if you live abroad. You must apply by post using form EHICE, which should be sent to you automatically with your S1 or E121. If you haven’t received an EHICE application, please contact the relevant organization.
                                    UK state pensioners contact The Pension Service on 00 44 191 218 7777
                                    UK long-term incapacity benefit recipients contact the DWP on 00 44 191 218 1999"

                                    #42666
                                    fireman sam
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                                        Ag Nik Addict, you obviously didn’t read my post. I did apply and have since re-applied through e-mail as i was told this was the quickest way to do it.

                                        I also have been a public servant all my working life but i recognise incompetence and offhandedness when i experience it.

                                        #42673
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                                            We started this saga in February before we departed for six weeks in Crete, hoping the forms would be completed by the time we returned. They were the forms from the Greek website, not the UK one. When we returned the forms had been sent back to us by someone who clearly did not understand the problem. My husband tried ringing HMRC and could not get to speak to a human being. As I spent 32 years in the Civil Service, I decided to apply some CS logic to the exercise, eventually got to speak to a VERY helpful girl, who referred the query to a Technical Officer (key phrase, I think). We received all eight forms back last week, scanned them, emailed them to our helpful Greek accountant (Chania based), added our five P60s, and all is now underway. Three months of effort, and all to be repeated next year. Oh joy! 

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                                            Herby
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                                                272A3F38222F2A4B0 wrote: Herby I think you misunderstand.
                                                we have healthcare here with IKA however should we wish to visit another EU country we need an EHIC card to cover any healthcare we may need whilst there.
                                                before this new system came in if I was traveling to the UK or Germany I could go to IKA and they would issue a card now I have the one issued in the UK.

                                                it is a European system, although some other countries do have reciprocal agreements

                                                I have no idea how IKA entitlement or possession of an EHIC would affect health treatment in countries outside the EU.

                                                I do not suppose they would accept an EHIC card or my IKA Healthbook in the Maldives  :D

                                                Latsida,
                                                You have misunderstood my question. Let me give you an example:

                                                I am Australian (say) and I came to Greece as a student and stayed after finishing university. I worked in Greece and paid IKA for 10 years. I now want to go to Germany and the UK. By virtue of my IKA contributions I am entitled to a EHIC (European Health Insurance Card). Who will issue it? Certainly not Australia!

                                                Or is this just another example of the EU not thinking things through and forgetting that there is a whole wide world outside Europe?

                                                #42685
                                                latsida
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                                                    in your example the Greek IKA would probably issue the card, it is just that now when we receive the SI for IKA cover the application form for a EHIC card comes with it ;)

                                                    #42691
                                                    Tans
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                                                        I have tried to get a a form e230 form HMRC, it came back unsigned with reason that the instructions said to put derived income in field 3. I am UK resident and retired so have no Greek income for this field, i wrote back saying if filed is zero the statement would still be correct as their part is signed to confirm residency.
                                                        Trying to get a residency certificate through t email system from HMRC, they did send a letter of confirmation of residency but I have never heasrd of this letter and if its usable. Probably need translating as well, any one explain how can do translations in Ag Nik area, could do with some greek things changing to english for myself as well.

                                                        Tans

                                                        #42695
                                                        latsida
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                                                            this form?http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/dtmanual/dt8258.htm

                                                            it does state in the first paragraph

                                                            "certify in a letter on headed notepaper that the taxpayer is a resident of the United Kingdom for the purposes of the United Kingdom/Greece double taxation agreement for the period covered by the claim, if that is the case."

                                                            so your letter should be ok

                                                            official translations can be done by a lawyer

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