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    Carlito
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        Could some of our Greek speaking forum members,explain me the meaning of the word [ch922][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch959][ch963][ch964][ch945][ch963][ch951][ch962].could not find it in my dictionary.
        Thanks in advance
        Charles

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        Tedblue
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            Hi Carlito

            I’m pretty sure it’s refering to boats that have been taken out ot the water so would mean

            ‘ DRY DOCK’

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            Robertson
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                More likely "mooring" or "berth". I think a secondary meaning may be "mutiny".

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                    Hello Robertson,
                    The explanation is very simple: [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch959][ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch953] is composed out of two words : [ch964][ch959] [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch940][ch946][ch953], the ship and [ch951] [ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch951], the station, the halt. It means the port or the shipyard. Whenever a Greek word is composed out of two words, it becomes neutral, hence the [ch953][ch974][ch964][ch945] at the end of the word.

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                    Carlito
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                        Thank you to all of you.
                        Like always i get my answers,here in the forum.
                        Thanks
                        Charles

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                        Robertson
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                            Thanks Pluto but I am well aware of the word’s composition – which is how I came to arrive at my (still perfectly valid) translation.

                            By the way the word is "neuter" not "neutral".

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                            PLUTO
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                                One should not being in a hurry when answering a question and I did yesterday, trying to help. Not only did I answer to the wrong person, Robertson instead of Carlito, but I didn’t read the question attentively. Carlito wrote the word [ch922][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch959][ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch951][ch962] with a capital letter, which is not at all the same as [ch964][ch959] [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch959][ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch953]!
                                [ch922][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch959][ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch951][ch962] refers to a small coastal community of 55 inhabitants on the South-East coast of the island of Folegandros or Pholegandros, which together with Sikinos, Ios, Anafi and Santorini forms the Southern part of the Cyclades.
                                There are also 3 others coastal communities called [ch922][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch959][ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch953] with [ch953][ch974][ch964][ch945]:  two in Lakonia and one in Thesprotia.
                                Those names were given to small coastal communities because of the similarity with boats and ships anchoring in their bays. 

                                [ch932][ch959] [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch959][ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch953] means port or shipyard. Its definition is:
                                1. [ch956][ch953][ch954][ch961][ch972][ch962] [ch972][ch961][ch956][ch959][ch962] [ch954][ch959][ch957][ch964][ch940] [ch963][ch964][ch951][ch957] [ch945][ch954][ch964][ch942] [ch972][ch960][ch959][ch965] [ch960][ch961][ch959][ch963][ch959][ch961][ch956][ch943][ch950][ch959][ch957][ch964][ch945][ch953] [ch954][ch945][ch953] [ch945][ch961][ch940][ch950][ch959][ch965][ch957] [ch964][ch945] [ch960][ch955][ch959][ch943][ch945] ( a small bay near by the coast where ships slacken and anchor),
                                2. [ch964][ch959] [ch957][ch945][ch965][ch960][ch951][ch947][ch949][ch943][ch959], the shipyard. [ch931][ch964][ch959] [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch959][ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch953] [ch966][ch964][ch953][ch940][ch967][ch957][ch959][ch957][ch964][ch945][ch953] [ch954][ch945][ch953] [ch949][ch960][ch953][ch963][ch954][ch949][ch965][ch940][ch950][ch959][ch957][ch964][ch945][ch953] [ch964][ch945] [ch963][ch954][ch940][ch966][ch951] = Boats are build and repaired in the shipyard.
                                It’s composed of the words [ch964][ch959] [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch940][ch946][ch953] and [ch951] [ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch951], where [ch951] [ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch951] means the halt, the stop, the station. In fact one has to go back to the more ancient meaning of the word and go back to the word [ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch953] from [ch943][ch963][ch964][ch951][ch956][ch953] = [ch943][ch963][ch964][ch945][ch956][ch945][ch953] = [ch946][ch961][ch943][ch963][ch954][ch959][ch956][ch945][ch953], [ch963][ch964][ch941][ch954][ch959][ch956][ch945][ch953], [ch956][ch941][ch957][ch969] [ch972][ch961][ch952][ch953][ch959][ch962].
                                I agree completely that in a certain context it can be translated as moor, berth, anchorage because the noun has as synonyms [ch945][ch947][ch954][ch965][ch961][ch959][ch946][ch972][ch955][ch953][ch959] and [ch945][ch961][ch945][ch958][ch959][ch946][ch972][ch955][ch953] (anchorage), like in the example
                                [ch932][ch959] [ch960][ch955][ch959][ch943][ch959] [ch940][ch961][ch945][ch958][ch949] [ch963][ch964][ch959] [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch959][ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch953] [ch964][ch959][ch965] [ch957][ch951][ch963][ch953][ch959][ch973] = The ship moored to the berth of the island = The ship anchored in the port (or in the bay) of the island.

                                In the example [ch964][ch959] [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch959][ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch953] (composed word with subordinated determinant) the word can be translated as [ch951] [ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch951] [ch964][ch959][ch965] [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch953][ch959][ch973] in which [ch951] [ch963][ch964][ch940][ch963][ch951] is the subject and A’ determinant and [ch964][ch959] [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch940][ch946][ch953], neuter, the subordinated determinant B. Normally and logically the composed word takes the gender of the A’ determinant, in which case the word should have been [ch951] [ch954][ch945][ch961][ch945][ch946][ch972][ch963][ch964][ch945][ch963][ch951] following the example of [ch959] [ch952][ch945][ch955][ch945][ch963][ch963][ch972][ch955][ch965][ch954][ch959][ch962] = [ch959] [ch955][ch973][ch954][ch959][ch962] [ch964][ch951][ch962] [ch952][ch940][ch955][ch945][ch963][ch963][ch945][ch962], where the A’ determinant [ch959] [ch955][ch973][ch954][ch959][ch962], masculine, imposes its gender.

                                Greek is a wonderful and easy language, thanks to a tightly and well structured grammar, except for the composed nouns, which have no strict gender rules and which are a real nightmare.

                                Ref.: [ch917][ch947][ch954][ch965][ch954][ch955][ch959][ch960][ch945][ch943][ch948][ch949][ch953][ch945] [ch916][ch959][ch956][ch942] and  [ch923][ch949][ch958][ch953][ch954][ch972] [ch964][ch951][ch962] [ch957][ch941][ch945][ch962] [ch949][ch955][ch955][ch951][ch957][ch953][ch954][ch942][ch962] [ch947][ch955][ch974][ch963][ch963][ch945][ch962], [ch924][ch960][ch945][ch956][ch960][ch953][ch957][ch953][ch974][ch964][ch951][ch962].

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