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        To All Members

        Regarding what has transpired in this thread to date. 

        Not all that you read about this dispute is written here in postings. 

        Suffice to say, members would be advised not to threaten Brits in Crete in e-mails.

        Member George Petridis’ statement in a posting above needs to be corrected: 
        This web site has no connection with britsincrete.com

        I am in the process to delete the hotlinks to his company in the posting as unnecessary advertising. The web site address should be in the member’s profile (his e-mail contact already is) and not directly in any postings.

        Thank you for your attention.

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        Topdriller
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            Andrew,

            With all due respect, your previous comments seem a little personal for someone who now admits they’ve had no business dealings with Mr Petridis re their own house build.

            "What I will say is that you cannot believe a single word he says. He lives in his own little world where white is black and vice versa. For all I know he is schizophrenic…"

            "I have personal experience of many lies by this man; this is why I would like to know where he lives…"

            "He has the ability to tell a total untruth as though it is gospel truth. In fact it is because his lies are so outrageous that people believe him…"

            I applaud you for using your given name but do wonder why one of the three couples directly affected by this developer’s alleged actions could not have posted their own thread.

            Nor do I see the problem re knowing his place of residence i.e. presumably Mr Petridis runs his business out of an office so surely the court officers can find him there and serve the appropriate papers?

            Jon

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                58575D405E080B0A390 wrote: I never started out to have a public debate on this, Andrew

                So who made the first post then? Did you honestly expect to be able to post derogatory remarks about a man and his company without having to justify what you said?

                To my mind, as Andrew has stated that he has had no business dealings with the company, he has needlessly put his head in a noose and, if it does come to court action, will have to prove every statement that he has made. If he has nothing to gain, why has he done this?

                In my opinion, asking for the builders private address so that papers can be served is a total red herring as the claim(s) would be against the company and not the man. This, of course, assumes that company law in Greece is the same as that in the UK.

                I am left wondering what position the owners of this site are left in because, as I understand it, Andrew may have made the statements but Brits in Crete has published it!

                Fred

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                    What is this particular heading about? I thought it was to discuss and give feedback on builders/developers for the good of people who may be considering a move or purchase here. What happens? as soon as somebody tells us everybody is up in arms and accusing people of saying inappropriate things about a builder and there’s talk of wiping out all the negative things. Surely newcomers to the site want to see what people have to say about the bad experiences as well as the good isn’t that the spirit of this heading? so that they have the opportunity to make a choice about whether they use certain builders/developers. I am actually aware of this builder and have been told the same story – come on guys, if it was a one off I could understand it but there’s at least 5 that I know of that have had dealings with this company – sorry he may have made a mistake once but not numerous ones all by the sounds of it the same. Why is that people immediately side with the builder/developer and shout down the poor bloody victims! Makes my blood boil.

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                    Topdriller
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                        Fowles,

                        At no point has anyone sided with the developer / builder.

                        The main point made – at least by me – was the unfairness of coming onto a public forum and making personal attacks on another person / business whilst maintaining one’s own anonymity. 

                        If you believe this is fair then fine but I most certainly don’t.  If someone does not have the courage of their convictions to sign their own name then why make the comments at all?

                        Also, and as Fred said above, if Andrew has had no business dealings with the developer then why make such personal comments, particularly when a lawyer might construe them as libelous?

                        As previously stated by several contributors, there are always two sides to ever story and usually somewhere in the middle are the facts.

                        All Andrew had to do was come onto the forum and ask if anyone knew the home address of a Mr. George Petridis.

                        Jon

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                            Hi Topdriller,

                            I am one of the three English Crooks Mr. Petridis kindly calls me!

                            Thank you for post, perhaps we may be different to others, but our heart does not rule our head, we have set our budgets and we stick to those figures.
                            Yes there are always extras; we did not have any extras unless we had an estimate for the costs from GDP, if we could not afford the extra we would not have it.

                            The total of all the estimated extras came to 7.300 euro’s a little different to the 54,000 + euro’s for which we were billed for by Mr. Petridis.

                            We have actually paid the full contract price + 10,000 euro’s. Why Pay over what we owe? we had 20,000 balance to pay at completion. Mr. Petridis asked for a personal loan of 30,000 euro’s which should have been repaid in 30 days (Jan 2007) that was the last we saw of that money.

                            So you can see what nasty crooks we are! We have also had to pay tradesmen to get our house finished.
                            We have also had to pay many, many thousands to IKA and Lawyers.

                            I am glad Mr. Petridis is letting the world know “that he is blackmailing us” and will not give us our invoices for all the money we have paid! Even after the court has told him he must give them to us. That’s why he has a outstanding 3 month prison sentence to serve and fines to pay.

                            Believe me there many more people throughout Crete with far bigger problems with GDP than us.

                            Terry

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                                Terry,

                                Sadly, your story is becoming a lot more common these days and everyone who reads it will empathise with the  position you find yourself in.

                                I’m guessing, if you gave Mr Petridis a personal loan of €30,000, that at one time you and he were close and had a good working relationship.

                                The most common problem – not yours but his (as well as many other would be developers) – is there are very few new builds and therefore no upfront payments from new clients to finish off houses already started.

                                Most developers play a dangerous game i.e. they rely on down payments from new clients to complete the builds for existing clients.  This model works when times are good and there’s a queue of people keen to build new houses but becomes a nightmare when the developer can no longer juggle his money, can’t pay his workers, has to reduce his sales team etc.

                                This may not be the case with Mr Petridis but it certainly has been for other builders / developers across the length and breadth of Crete.

                                None of the above can be any comfort to you or the other Brits who’ve "played the game" and now feel they’ve been shafted and all I can add is best of luck with getting a fair resolution to the situation you find yourself in.

                                Jon

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                                    Topdriller, Fred & Ginger

                                    The business about private address is certainly not a red herring. Now that an arrest warrant must be executed, we are told that the police have to be with the bailiff. Seems reasonable as a bailiff cannot make an arrest I guess.

                                    The police apparently need 24 hours notice of an appointment to arrest. Yeah, I know it seems a bit mad, but this is what the lawyer is telling my friends. If you think about it, it would probably be a similar situation in the UK for a not massively major offence. That’s why they are apparently not keen to turn up at an office and find the target has popped out.

                                    And, no it is not the company, it’s the person. You cannot imprison a company can you?

                                    I have absolutely nothing to gain in all this. I have been a witness in court for my friends and I’ve listened to hours of souls-searching and agonising. Which is why it suddenly struck me to ask on Brits in Crete if Mr Petridis was known. Until one or two recent posts, I was beginning to wish I had not bothered.

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                                        All Andrew had to do was come onto the forum and ask if anyone knew the home address of a Mr. George Petridis.

                                        Crikey, Topdriller, that’s all I was doing…….  Things got a bit heated after I saw Mr Petridis’ cartload of half-truths in response.  I guess, as Fowles says, it makes yer blood boil.

                                        Andrew

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                                            Andrew,

                                            I have heard of an old law on Crete which would substantiate what your lawyer has told you, Terry and the other Brits caught up in this.

                                            Apparently, when a Cretan court issues a warrant for arrest the police have 24 hours to execute it. At least in the not too distant past, criminals who learned that a warrant had been issued would leave their house and disappear into the hills, some even hiding in caves, until the 24 hours was up. They would then return home to their house, safe in the knowledge that they could not be arrested until the courts issued another warrant. Owing to the time it takes to get anything through the Greek courts it could be months before another warrant is issued.

                                            I’m not sure if this peculiar law is still in operation but it might explain why the police / bailiffs etc. have to get their ducks all lined up in a row before executing the warrant.

                                            Jon

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                                                Thanks Topdriller, that makes some sense. Part of the problem is that with the lawyer’s limited command of English, that type of subtle point cannot be conveyed easily.

                                                Andrew

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                                                    Andrew,

                                                    This may sound a little pedantic but we all live in Greece; the problem is not "the lawyers limited command of English" but our limited command of Greek! ;)

                                                    Jon

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                                                        Very true, you never miss a trick do you…. ;D

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                                                            A few points in response to the farcical nonsense masquerading as openness and transparency posted by George Petridis.

                                                            1. First of all the following claim: “This is why I had to search for a resolution in the Greek court.”

                                                            As far as I am aware you have not started any form of court action against any of these three couples. You may have issued a lawyers letter here or there, but no summonses have been issued. I doubt they ever will be, as you have no case against these people. So that claim was a deceit and misleading in the extreme.

                                                            2. You seem to have trouble with simple arithmetic. You have been found guilty three times and three judgments issued against you. Only you would claim that because you committed the same wrong three times, it only counts as one judgment. If you murder three people is that one offence because it was the same crime?

                                                            3. Another misleading, but apparently honest and forthright claim was made: "NO OTHER COURT HEARING, CONSERNING MY FINANCIAL DISPUTE WITH THESE PEOPLE HAS TAKEN PLACE TILL TODAY".

                                                            You are trying to make it sound as though you have done nothing else wrong. But as you say yourself earlier in your own post, all three couples, and ALSO another client are suing you for non-payment of IKA. The fact that the case has not been heard yet is being selectively used to make you look clean.

                                                            4. You also asked me certain questions and resorted to petty name-calling. So here are my responses.

                                                            First of all, it is true that we have never had a conversation of any substance, although we have spoken on several occasions. But this does not mean I cannot have personal experience of your lies. I never said you had lied to me directly. But I have been directly involved in situations where you have lied to your clients as I independently verified with third party documentation and evidence. I do not propose to go into the details here, but be assured, the evidence I have would more than stand up in court.

                                                            We have nothing to discuss, which is why I didn’t speak to you when you were at the plot below my house. We have no quarrel directly; I’m not the type who goes around cursing and shouting at people because they have treated my friends badly.

                                                            But of course, you have to make snide insinuations. Because I was polite in asking you to take care over the water pipes, I’m sleazy. That really is sad.

                                                            Also, I did not call the police or bailiffs, because as you well know, they would not come. The police need 24 hours notice to execute an arrest warrant.

                                                            And then we have the dramatic revelation that “YOU KNOW WHO I AM” to paraphrase. Do you think you are so clever in finding out who I am? If I had been bothered to hide from you, I would not have made other posts containing my name, nor would I have used a nickname containing my wife’s name. I would also have supplied an anonymous email address rather than my real one when registering for the forum.

                                                            Do you really think there is some fantastical cloak and dagger conspiracy against you?

                                                            Actually, you do, don’t you. You seem to be living in a paranoid fantasy world and you have completely fabricated who I am and what I do. I’m not a craftsman of any kind. I don’t do repair work, nor do I do renovations on demand. I have never done any kind of work around Milatos and Sissi, apart from renovate an old stone house for myself to live in, and lately moving to a new house where I project managed the build. You will not find anyone in Milatos or Sissi for whom I have ever workd.

                                                            The nonsense about me approaching your clients is total fabrication. You even have the gall to make up a quote and put it in inverted commas. Very realistic, and very convincing if one doesn’t know. Well George, I cannot prove a negative, but if you can find one person to stand up in court and claim I did anything of that kind then they are a liar, as you are. I have no interest in stealing your clients.

                                                            And finally, your pathetic rubbish about cowards and real men doesn’t merit an answer. But I will ask you one thing. Is it a real man who personally borrows a total of 25,000 euros from two different clients and fails to pay them back? Those were short-term loans, supposedly for a medical procedure for a family member. You have never paid them back. And you say you are a real man. You are beneath contempt.

                                                            And by the way, I didn’t ask you for your address when I saw you below my house because I never thought for a moment that you would tell me. Are you really saying you would have done so?

                                                            Andrew Georgi

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                                                                670E7F7065747269646973200 wrote: YOU LEFT UK FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT ALMOST EVERY ENGLISH PERSON HAS, WHICH BOUGHT PROPERTY IN GREECE AND MOVED OUT OF THE UK:
                                                                HIGH TAXATION, EXPENSIVE LIFE, POOR QUALITY OF LIFE, NO REAL FRIENDS  ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC.

                                                                Please do not tar all British people with the same brush Mr Petridis…..as I do not class all Greek or British builders the same! I take offence that you think the only reason we move to Greece is because of the above reasons…some of us have fantastic Greek friends and have built a rapport with the community we want to live in over the years of going to Greece and in the same breath we also have wonderful English friends.We most certainly do not move to Crete because it is cheaper as if I wanted that I would live in the UK, I cannot of course speak for everyone on this site but we will move to Crete because "we personally" think that family values are better in Greece, life is much more laid back and we have made some absolutely wonderful friends here and we,our family and our friends love coming over to stay.I absolutely understand how you would be angry but to judge a nation by a few individuals you have a problem with,and I am making no judgement upon this matter,is sad especially when a lot of people use this site to ask about potential builders?
                                                                I hope I myself have not offended anybody with this post as it was not my intention I was just miffed that somebody would imply I’m spending a LOT of money having a house built in Crete as I’m some sort of saddo with no real friends or family life in the UK!
                                                                Carol

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                                                                    Titch

                                                                    Good point, but don’t expect a reply from Petridis. He’s not even logged back on since posting his 3 part rant. His usual MO is to throw lots of mud, and then disappear without getting drawn into a debate he cannot win. Or maybe the police have caught up with him.

                                                                    Andrew

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                                                                        I support those who "wash their dirty linen" on forums. Are we not all mature adults?? Do we simply want to hear about sun, sea and ouzo ????
                                                                        A good rant entices response thus the subject matter is fully explored. I get fed up with forums treating people as children.
                                                                        If you expose a bad builder or property developer – then as far as i am concerned you have helped a lot of potential buyers
                                                                        Lets grow up and accept  we are adults and should not be patronised.

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                                                                        Topdriller
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                                                                            Amadub,

                                                                            There’s been an excellent discussion on the other Crete forum re this very subject. You might want to check it out to see what others have been saying.

                                                                            Jon

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                                                                                depends on the reasons for posting their "rant"

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