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        Let me re-iterate, but now in 2022 however that times continue to be difficult for websites that act as forums. I do not know the circumstances of why the LivinginCrete Forum is having difficulties, if they are. But to mention that the BritsinCrete Forum has indeed been under a barrage of Denial of Service attacks (too many automatic attempts to access a website causing an overload in a website and takes the site down).

        Our tech advisor says that since the Ukraine crisis started an unprecedented number of attempts to sign in and log on have taken place. When they succeeded it was one side of the war fighting online against the other. Hence why we have had to suspend all new memberships. This said regular members and visitors should not be affected. Although, having said that we have had to shut the site down for clearance of all the spam and logs that clog up our available bandwidth supplied by the host server company that enable our presence online.

        I am very sorry to hear the difficulties of the other site. Like everything in Crete things will resolve themselves over time, I am sure and I wish them well. But it is very time consuming and hits the piggy bank to keep sites functional.

        In my opinion and in general, we have allowed too many tech geeks to innovate online far too quickly that the rest of us find difficult to keep up. I am re-assured that even the younger adults are also now echoing these sentiments too.

        Thanks for your perseverance and for your visit.

        Gerald

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            Hi everyone,

            The Internet these days is a difficult place to be for the smaller websites.

            The main players keep upgrading their systems and it is difficult to keep up. And it costs money.

            I do not know the cause of the other forum being offline but here in this forum we constantly have to ensure we are not being interfered with.

            Many folks have moved over to Facebook etc. The way things are going with the mis-use of private data of users of FB though I do believe massive changes are going to happen to show FB a much less appealing place to exchange essentially personal information. Here we have a strict code of conduct and software to dissaude hackers and other bad folk.

            Thanks for popping by and please use our massive library of information through the search function. If you find our site useful please consider tipping us a coffee to help us pay our way. Cheers

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                37 Days following that tragic day, the husband confesses to his wife’s murder

                Until interrogated, the husband, a commercial pilot, Charalambos Anagnostopoulos would not confess his guilt. Modern scientific and digital forensic evidence proved a lie to the original story the husband  told police. Under a lengthy period of questioning the truth  eventually came out.

                It is now a question of custody for the child whose mother in dead and the husband to be imprisoned. Likely grandparents on both sides will take mutual custody.

                The death and follow up investigation of Caroline Crouch’s death is reported here.

                 

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                    To Be Greek Tax Resident or Not is the Issue in 2021

                    Hello kesm,

                    A belated reply with a reason. In mentioning Tax Residency in your post, you hit the nail on the head.

                    And in saying you will come back to Greece for a few weeks each year, well, this kind of answers your own question too. I will elaborate further at the end of this posting.

                    You are very lucky to have these choices. These being to live in England or live in Greece.

                    Greek law states that as a Greek, your husband is always a Greek citizen and will always be able to have Greece as his domicile. You are British from the sounds of it and you can always live in UK.

                    Best of both worlds. It depends on how you use the facility

                    Let us review my understanding of being an EU citizen. You can move freely to find work and establish residency without too many limitations in another EU country. In fact when Britain was still in the EU, Brits were encouraged to think “European”. Indeed many became transitory. The most famous group were those who spent time commuting between Spain and Britain. They used to take low cost flights as they do taking a local bus for shopping in UK.  One big advantage of this ‘commuting’ was they could massage the system. But one big plus of the Spanish connection was the ability to top up cost effectively their cigarette stock when returning from Spain to keep them happy for the time they spent in UK. But that all came to a halt on December 31, 2020, on Brexit.

                    Brexit forced decisions not in place before

                    The key point after Brexit in the post Brexit era, is that we can no longer retain a foothold in two places splitting time between Greece and UK without consequences. The Withdrawal Agreement has caused both government bureaucracies to become more territorial. You choose either Britain or Greece, because a foot in both is not possible anymore. Brits are now regarded as third country aliens. It is a nasty word “alien”. But there you go that is what Brits are now in the context of Brussels and EU regulations. Plainly, this alienation causes a lot of regulatory issues.

                    Is it residency then in Britain or in Greece. While “residency” and ‘tax” are not supposed to be linked, the reality is they are. No longer can we ride the system but must plonk ourselves in only one country at a time and become tax liable there.

                    By the way, it is an international requirement that anyone, all of us, have to declare which place is our main country of tax residency if we choose to live, work or retire in another jurisdiction.  Fortunately there is a double taxation agreement between Britain and Greece that saves a lot of problems even after Brexit.

                    What has not changed is dealing with banks when we move between jurisdictions. We confront the  “Know Your Customer – KYC” rule. This is any bank’s legal requirement to authorities that they have checked out throughly any new customer and that they definitely “Know Their Customer”. Or put more precisely know the customers’ prior source(s) of income, and it was legal.

                    kesm – you may have waded through all this bureaucracy already,  but making decisions of choice of residence is not a matter to take lightly.

                    Unfortunately if anyone had replied earlier to your post, as such I think it would have been speculative at best. This is probably a key reason why there were no original responses to your question.

                    Visiting Greece temporarily, Is that a Good Solution?

                    Your point of ‘visiting Greece‘ for short periods, is a great use of the “three month rule” no-visa rule. Brits can enter the Schengen area (that includes most of EU Europe and Greece) without a visa for a ‘usual’ kind of short stay. But passports are likely stamped on entry and exit. It is a bit like going back to the pre-Britain-in-the-EU era, 40+ years ago when Greece’s border points were usually very easy for Brits entering and leaving. Don’t over-stay these days though. And remember, the 3 months includes any time spent in another EU Schengen country like Germany, Italy, France, Holland etc.

                    What Options to Choose?

                    I do know of several couples, being of working age in the same situation as you are, kesm. They have opted to favour UK at the moment as they have youngsters. In pure financial terms, in my opinion it is better to be in the UK as a Greek, married to a Brit. Unless there are extenuating family circumstances in Greece where, for instance it pays to have babies in Greece (government has been paying a significant sum for each new baby that comes into the world). Even so, as we know, the social support system for working age adults is superior in Britain. But not as cheap a place as Greece to live. There is always time in the future to plonk yourselves down full time in Greece. But there again, times are changing in Britain too. The mood has become very sombre in the ‘woke’ times for many who believe in old fashioned family values, such as using Mum and Dad as correct terminology. And not strange definitions such as ‘birth parent” that schools teach as being the way for kids to address their mums and dads nowadays.

                    Anyway, this reply has given me the opportunity for a little social blow off, of my own..

                    I am sure you will make good decisions that fit your circumstances regardless of the tax residency implications.

                    All the best.

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                        The Sitia resort, all 25sqm and a 250mill Euro investment is alive and well, BritsinCrete has learned

                        A report in the ekathimerini newspaper of May 25th, 2021 states that British company, Minoan Plc is planning to get started and appoint a developer.

                        It has been a long drawn out process, even by Greek standards of government bureaucracy. In fact 25 years worth to date.

                        Minoan has now named the super luxury 5*****project: “Itanos Gaia.”

                        Financing is in focus

                        In an ambiguous statement, it appears Cavo Sidero’s sheer size means the appointed developer and/or Minoan,  needs additional investor support.

                        Any help available?

                        Report is here.

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                        in reply to: Retirement in Crete NOW #92417
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                            Lynda and Mick, Email sent, several tries but it has now gone through.

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                                Hello Lynda and Mick

                                Welcome as new members to the forum.

                                Private Health Insurance does not have to Cost and Arm and a Leg in Greece

                                Your insurance question for applying for a residence permit, I will answer after mentioning the following.

                                I am sure you know the procedure is now very different if you are British who wishes to live their dream and to come and live longer than 3 months in Greece or any other part of the EU (except Ireland). There is the need to apply for the visa first from the Greek Embassy in London etc. See other threads in this website covering others’ experiences.

                                Once on Greek soil, it is really difficult without residence permits to negotiate the system. Simple needs such as opening a Greek bank account are now next to impossible. That is what I understand. If you are on top of all this information , that is great.

                                Regarding private insurance for residence permit purposes. If you have an EHIC card for Europe that is a good start to cover health. The back up private insurance which can satisfy our local #Crete officials are from three insurers that will not cost an arm and a leg. As you are also aware, full private healthcare plans can cost 200 euros a month and up. I will send you a private e-mail listing three Greek insurers offering services for a single payment well under 150 euros a year.

                                If other members need such information that suffices on Crete (maybe elsewhere in Greece too) then just post a message to say you are interested and I will reply privately too.

                                Hope that helps

                                Gerald/admin

                                 

                                 

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                                    It is a 2021 video showing Dusk over Sissi, Lassithi from Esmirand’s Holidays in Crete on YT

                                    The Spring into Summer evenings with the crystal clear light that Crete is so famous for is epitomised in this video.

                                    For those who do not know, Sissi is one of those charming little ports on Crete’s north coast barely a 45minutes direct drive from Heraklion’s Airport.

                                    It is both a great getaway location for a relaxing family vacation but it has its own  character. Secluded little bay beaches, and a choice of eating places.

                                    What is the weather like now in the Sissi/Malia resorts area of Crete?

                                    If you are wondering what your holiday weather is like today in the Greek island, if you were there visiting Sissi, then this link gives a full 5 day forecast overview. While it is of the bigger bustling Malia town and resort (just a couple of kilometres along the coast) it is fair to say the days in both places will most likely be virtually identical.

                                    Just imagine, in a  beachside cafe or your hotel balcony with a panoramic view at dusk of a #Sissi sunset with a glass of #Cretan wine or a glass of Greek beer, nothing beats it for a vacation.

                                    Greece’s tourist season 2021 started yesterday. With sunsets like these evening after evening #Crete is hard to beat in places to experience.

                                    PS: I just love Sissi, I recommend it whole heartedly. I admit my review is biased, I live close by.

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                                        Good morning Jane 57 and Adamski T

                                        It is good to see such enthusiasm for retirement in Crete. Hope you had obtained your Greek residence permits before December 31, 2020 and to convert before June 30, 2021 to the new aliens (no, not from outer space) non EU nationals’ biometric permit. Otherwise, please put in perspective however the requirements to take up long term stay in Greece, post Brexit. The bureaucracy, if challenging before, is still in place, and some.

                                        Do your own research, as much as possible

                                        Other recent articles cover this topic thoroughly in this website. You could start here. :wacko:

                                        I am not trying to put a damper on enthusiasm, but in this cranky world we are living in today, things are what they are and we have to persist to achieve our objective – long term staying in Greece.

                                        You no longer can just hop on a plane and nip over to a Greek island… well you can, but you will know the difference between pre-Brexit and now when you arrive at airport immigration.

                                        This site covers so many related topics, just do your own research in here, using the search function.

                                        I appreciate you finding our Brits in Crete Forum and hope you find the way to enjoy the best of retirement in Crete.

                                        By the way, as I write it is beautiful today. Check out the weather in Chania  Prefecture, including Kalives!

                                        Hope that is helpful

                                        Gerald/admin

                                         

                                         

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                                            Potential Life in Crete These Days for an Anglo German Retiree

                                            Hello Muffin (Charles)

                                            Welcome to the forum.

                                            Not too much I can advise you except based on my experiences recently, with the Greek bureaucracy, I think you will need to lean on the German side in your Anglo German papers you may have, not just your Deutsche Passport. I mention this because the EU countries are applying seriously the way they handle Brits, post-Brexit. That is because UK is now outside ‘the club’ and is regarded as a ‘third country’. You may be asked to give German supporting documents rather than the British ones if you apply for a residence permit?

                                            Some random thoughts of Living in Crete today

                                            Yes, life is very tough on Crete, even before “το lockdown”, it was getting very difficult.

                                            Sorry to say, foreigners need to come to Greece with their practical hats on, and not their wishful thinking. For instance, retirees (over 65) cannot work.
                                            The government bureaucrats take this seriously. This is unsurprising with the huge unemployment rate.

                                            Reality now on Crete:

                                            • – rents are cheap and hugely negotiable. I know several older Germans who come to Crete each summer and  rent clean and basic hotel accommodation on the fringes of resort areas under E600 a month. Private home rentals between 200-400 euros per month.  Just remember if you come as a retiree to Greece and stay over 3 months you need to apply for a residence permit.
                                            • – You will find supermarket shopping to be continuing good value, if you stick to basics comparing to Hamburg.
                                            • – Your health cover (EHIC) needs to be up to date. Here is another thought: If on a German passport you may find you need to prove the German issued version of the EHIC, as a possible requirement.

                                            Anyway,  bottom line as always, check with your German friends and relatives who stay in Greece what are the requirements for getting residence permit these days. It just seems that the easy-going Greeks, are now tightening up on all regulations. Just my impression.

                                            Wish you well in seeking a happier life in Crete. You say you know the place well, then I think it would be a good idea to lean on your friends and contacts who are on the island to give their input and for you to be self sufficient when you do come.

                                            There are several german language forums for their community in Crete either on FB or elsewhere.

                                            Random thoughts and ideas for your potential retirement life in Crete these Days wearing your Anglo German hat.

                                            Hope that helps

                                            Gerald

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                                                Hello Bushberry48

                                                Random answers on Thinking of Moving back to Greece

                                                So, you are considering to leave the UK to follow your dream and move to Crete, Greece? I see you and your husband have had lengthy stays before in Volos and Skiathos. Both are somewhat different in character to Crete with its large size with a a sizeable population too.

                                                As you may be aware, the population is concentrated in the prefecture capitals of Heraklion, Chania and Rethymnon along the north coast. Agios Nikolaos, the capital of Lassithi, the 4th prefecture on Crete has a much smaller population for both Brits and Greeks.

                                                Before making personal suggestions, it is important to understand that now the UK is completely outside the EU, if you do not hold current residence permits, your process to stay in Greece longer than three months may well require a number of bureaucratic hurdles to jump over. So before even considering work and education needs, I suggest you get the fundamentals out of the way.

                                                Check out the best Greek government’s comprehensive resource for Brits staying in Greece, post Brexit

                                                • The dedicated Greek Government website in English helps Brits with post Brexit info .

                                                For the actual requirements and process to move to Greece and Residency, there are two useful websites

                                                The main one is:
                                                • The Greek Embassy in London, and an unofficial one
                                                • A private company, visareservation but with more detailed information for an application

                                                My main suggestion then is to update yourself on the fundamentals of day-to-day life, as you will be newcomers to Crete. If you can, get to Crete as soon as possible and check it out. You can stay for a maximum of 90 days in 180 days period without visa, if your purpose is as a visitor or on business.

                                                Important: To come again and enter Greece after the first visit of 90 days, you have to wait out the balance of the 90 days first. The 180 days rolling rule.

                                                While here, I hope you can speak to friends and relatives (if any) for just about anything and everything. I have always found to get into contact with a lawyer locally in Crete smooths many issues. Their rates are usually very reasonable compared to UK.

                                                In this Post-Brexit era, you as a Brit, as indicated in the Greek Embassy link above, will have to apply for a long stay visa before coming and to stay longer than 3 months. It all takes time and paperwork.

                                                This is of course, unless you can re-instate residency without the need for a new visa. To my knowledge, however once a residence permit expires and is not renewed, then to come again and apply, the general rule as a third country foreigner you have to start all over again from scratch.

                                                There is a possible caveat: if you have already documents from before such as your AFM/ΑΦΜ (tax number) and other documents showing proof of residence that may enable a faster track to apply. Hence the possible need for a lawyer with experience in these matters. Until you know the place you want to locate in Crete, recommending a lawyer would be academic, as they tend to be focussed on the prefecture in which they practice.

                                                The British Consulate for Crete  in Heraklion is a useful resource as well. The staff are very friendly and all fluent in English. But be aware, the staff cannot give advice only practical information. It is worthwhile noting that the British diplomatic staff in Greece uses a centralised telephone answering system for the Athens Embassy and all the consulates around the country.

                                                Regarding your son’s needs: Health Services and Public/Private Schooling

                                                If you benefit from reciprocal family health benefits by agreements between UK and Greece,  you may be able to use such services. In all likelihood you will also have to prove you have private insurance!

                                                Public (State) Supported Nurseries and How they Work

                                                You say your son is three years old. I believe he would be eligible once you have residency to be registered into the Greek state nursery system. Basically, if your child has their 4th birthday by roughly September (the start of the school year) he/she will be eligible to commence Nursery School. The Nurseries operate in the morning hours, generally between 0900hrs to 1200hrs, noon time. The kids can attend until their 6th birthday.

                                                For Private Creches and Nurseries
                                                For youngsters below 5 years of age, on Crete there are private nurseries which provide comprehensive childcare if needed.  Operating hours can vary but based mostly on morning times. For the most part, charges for sending a child to a nursery are in line with the local economy. This means they are somewhat cheaper than Northern Europe.Otherwise you can regard as a means of social gathering with same age Greek children. I am not aware of English language nurseries. Ask when you are here. Remember, Crete is a very large diverse island.

                                                More Education Info for expat children in Crete

                                                A personal viewpoint, please check out: English language schooling on Crete 

                                                While I appreciate you have Greek living experience from before, yet you should be aware that so much has changed in government systems and the problems related to Greece’s financial position, job opportunities etc in the last few years,  therefore my main thoughts are that you get into committed detailed research as soon as possible.

                                                Employment

                                                Not a rosy picture, as is the case in most of Europe currently. Being self employed is a better policy. But do not rush to register before getting expert advice from an accountant. It is a minefield, as you may know. But it is in the complicated tax structure that most changes have taken place.

                                                 By the way, searches in this forum have many useful articles on the subject of living in Crete. We are in the process of updating many of the web pages to cover the changes in residency for Brits, etc.

                                                To sum up, I earnestly hope you will get into detailed and thorough research when considering to return to Greece to live. Times have really changed, as I hope I have been able to show above. Indeed, now as a third country family when you arrive in Greece, immigration have the right to ask you to prove you have health insurance, enough financial support when you arrive without a visa. While I am sure, all visitors will be welcomed from June 1st, 2021, the intended tourist season start date this year, you should be prepared for border security to ask such questions – if you come on a holiday visit, ostensibly to carry out your research. It may not happen but be prepared.

                                                I am sure you know much of this information already. I am not offering this post as formal advice, as I am not a professional to do so. But the britsincrete websites are useful info resources from countless experiences of Brits who follow their dream to live a more un-pressured lifestyle. If you find this post useful, then it would be helpful if you could check out some of our sponsors ads.

                                                Hope that is a little bit helpful for your planned move back to Greece to live in Crete –  where remember the sun still shines most days.
                                                Gerald
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                                                    Hello Jane_in_Crete

                                                    I wish you well in finding help with your daughter to keep her English skills and her fluency up to scratch.

                                                    It is around the 4-5 years of age period when I understand that youngsters are most receptive to cementing their multi-language abilities.

                                                    All the best too during this period of concern over the coronavirus.

                                                    Thank you for visiting us at this forum.

                                                    Keep safe and healthy.

                                                    Gerald

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                                                        Reminder: Act Now to Convert Your British License to a Greek One

                                                        While it appears there have been technical issues with the driving licence conversion process in recent weeks at the Greek Ministry of Transport,  application backlogs should have been cleared and the procedures under way.

                                                        They have cleared the backlog in Lassithi, according to the British Vice Consul in Heraklion.

                                                        Full lockdown extended to January 7th across the whole of Greece!

                                                        Allowing for the interruptions in staff working routines due to the lockdown now in place until January 7th, which is the day after the Epiphany public holiday on January 6th, 2021, the British Consulate in Heraklion urges those wishing to convert to a Greek license and have the requisite and correct documentation, to get your application in to your local K.E.P. office or Minstry of Transport licencing office in your prefecture’s Nomarxia. When you do, ensure you obtain the file number for your application (protocol number)! This is in case of further hiccups and processing does not happen until January for some reason or other. You will not then be affected by the Brexit final day and the UK is completely outside the Union.

                                                        I have no need to remind everyone that the final time and date of the full #Brexit from the European Union is at 2300hrs UK Time, Midnight Central European Time on December 31, 2020 and at 0100hrs (Greek time) on January 1, 2021!

                                                        Having written that fact, a cautionary note – and to to my understanding, an official announcement has yet to be made from the Police as to the status of a British driving licences by non-resident, visitors to Greece next year and beyond. Will an international driving licence be needed, or not? When we get clarification it will appear in the BritsinCrete Forum.

                                                        In the meantime, good luck with all those applying for the conversion of licences due to Brexit. Please remember, during the period from Xmas 2020 until January 7th, traditionally normal activities slow down considerably across the Greek Government in the regions.

                                                         

                                                         

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                                                            If you are in Greece, ponder this, we can put ‘Friday the 13th’ all on their shoulders! Link at bottom will help you understand more.

                                                            Usually today, Friday, the 13th day of the month is lucky for me.

                                                            This may seem an odd situation but it is true, contrary to the way we in Britain view this day.

                                                            How is your day going?

                                                            Perhaps you had even overlooked this date anyway?

                                                            Hope your day is going as well as mine.

                                                            And today is a brighter day, with blue skies and light patchy cloud. This is better than it has been for 2 weeks now.

                                                            To know more the Ancient Greeks and Friday the Thirteenth, link is here.

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                                                                Hello Louise

                                                                May I suggest that perhaps we should not discuss so much of your personal information in public?

                                                                Quick responses:

                                                                – While UK is still in the EU, a statement from a British bank there is accepted (although not always).  Needs to show 4,000 euros equiv.

                                                                – Have you spoken to your policeman on applying for residence? You may need him to verify more about you if the eventual police who issue a permit wants to know more about your presence in Gavdos.

                                                                – I do not know if there is any flexibility (easing) in applications as the Brexit transition period is coming to an end. If you read about the Ikaria family experiences it seemed very straight forward with the police being very amenable.

                                                                – Even Greek laywers are not good at responding to e-mails.  Better to phone.  Try to get their mobile numbers. Even better is try to arrange a meeting. I mention this as you appear to be struggling with some of the requirements.

                                                                – Finally, have you tried to catch up with the small Brit community in Paleohora? Try the Facebook Group as a starting point. They may well be better informed about this subject and maybe guide you to some useful contacts. Unfortunately, I do not know anyone there, yet!

                                                                How’s that for perhaps a faster route to getting the beige resident permit?

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

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                                                                    Hello Louise

                                                                    Indeed welcome.

                                                                    Greece Is A Place – Who You Know Counts Most in Officialdom

                                                                    Greece as you know is a person to person place. It is really is all about who you know and if they have any sway with local officals “to smooth the way”.

                                                                    Start the process now. Don’t delay as Brexit definitely happens at 0100hrs on January 1, 2021, Greek time.

                                                                    If you have good Greek contacts on Gavdos, well it is so small everyone knows everyone. You could well help your cause this way, as you have been on the island for a while already.

                                                                    Gut Feelings

                                                                    I would befriend the local police guy in any event, if you haven’t already, and with local Greek support. Gavdos is its own municipality, but very small (only 150 or so inhabitants). With only one police you need to ask if he/she can issue a residence permit or you must go elsewhere to a main police station, likely to be somewhere in the Chania Prefecture of which Gavdos is a part. (You may have asked already as you mention going to Chania city? of Prefecture?). I suggest you ask for contact details and find out which papers they seek to support an application for the beige coloured first residence permit (Άδεια παραμονής – in Greek). These are only assumptions on my part. If you know the local police person then he/she can be most helpful in supporting your application, if you must go off the island. Maybe your Gavdos person CAN issue the permit. Then it should be much easier. I simply am not familiar with the situations on Gavdos. As every police station handling applications have their own attitudes to applications in addition to what the law says. There can be mutual flexibility. What I can tell you is that local mayors are encouraging Brits to stay in situe post Brexit. Why? We have been a major contribution and a boost to the local economies around the island. Do you know your local mayor?

                                                                    Finding solutions in the Greek residence permit process

                                                                    I have outlined in other recent residence application enquiries in this forum (such as here), to state how you can get around the rental issues and utility bills. Showing financial staus via UK accounts is good enough, for now. Please read those other forum threads. They are useful and relevant.

                                                                    How to Use a Sworn Affadavit Solution

                                                                    The use of a sworn affadavit, in Greek – ΥΠΕΥΘΥΝΗ ΔΗΛΩΣΗ can overcome obstacles. If your landlady was to agree she could sign one of these affadavits that you are in agreement for 3months?? That she has paid the utilities and you have reimbursed her. In such a document you basically make statements that are subject to legal proceedings if not true. Until Dec31, 2020 the EHIC is enough to cover health insurance at the time of your residence application.

                                                                    Other Potential Resources

                                                                    You asked about help via agencies. In Crete it can be via a local lawyer familiar with residency issues.  They are not anywhere as expensive as UK. I would see what is possible and get advice. First brief meeting should be without charge. If there is a KEP office (similar to the Citizens Advice Bureau in UK) on Gavdos?

                                                                    Here is an extreme thought: If you are facing real headwinds with your enquiries: can you get in touch with the owner/operator of the local radio station to get advice from his Greek listeners or call for their support in what you are doing? Just a thought anyway.

                                                                    What About Local British Resident Connections?

                                                                    Are there any other Brits there you can talk to about this matter, and their experiences?

                                                                    There is a small British community in Paleohora that may be a good place to look for contacts: such as in FB Paleohora, a Group?

                                                                    The only information about the June 30th, 2021 date I have confirmed is the need to convert from the current paper residence permit to a new biometric one.

                                                                    Please start the process without delay. Do not wait until December 6 (the date you mentioned?) as December 31, 2020 is it. That is the last day Britain is in the EU and we will have Brexited completely at 11pm GMT.

                                                                    Using Protocol Number to your Advantage

                                                                    I wish you well for your application for an initial 5 year residence permit (Άδεια παραμονής) from Gavdos. My words are not to be construed as advice as I am not qualified to do so. Just experiences I am aware of in these matters. May I suggest, while Crete is laid back, this is not the time to do so in your case. I agree it is going to be an uncertain time after mid-December until mid January for getting anything concluded. Final thought. All government processes are governed by a protocol number (your file). Make sure if you apply very late to get one from the police. The reason is your application will still be valid after Brexit deadline (in this case) until a decision is made in your application for residency. This applies across all government transactions, unless otherwise stipulated – to my knowledge.

                                                                    Hope that helps.

                                                                    Gerald

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                                                                        GREECE’S COVID-19 NATIONAL LOCKDOWN LASTS UNTIL NOVEMBER 30TH –

                                                                        THAT IS 23 DAYS IN TOTAL

                                                                        Just a piece of added information on travel. Only essential domestic flights are operational from 0600hrs on November 7th. You need to contact your airline to check if your particular booked flight has been cancelled. Be aware that Aegean Airlines has caused of lot buzz on social media as they are not refunding paid fares on cancelled flights due to the coronavirus pandemic. Their informational page for what all passengers should know about cancelled flights is here.

                                                                        Majority of Aegean’s international flights are operational, but expect changes and cancellations dependant on passenger loads and other reasons.

                                                                        Due to Makedonia being a severely affected ‘red zone’ region for Covid-19, all flights are cancelled to/from Thessaloniki Airport for the period November 3rd to the 17th. Regardless of the carrier you are using for international flights to/from other airports in Greece, always check in plenty of time with the carrier you are booked on.

                                                                        Surface Travel Crete, an amended KTEL service is operational

                                                                        Petrol stations are operating normally.

                                                                        For the Heraklio-Lassithi bus routes, please contact them for bus scheduling tel: 2810 246530/38 ; their website , or email .

                                                                        For the Chania – Rethymnon – Heraklion bus routes, their contact info is for bus scheduling, tel:Τel: 28210 93305/93257, their website , or email.
                                                                        So far we have no information on ferry disruptions.

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                                                                            Katherine, as an after thought, consider contacting your local KEP office, the Greece equivalent of a Citizen’s Advice Bureau. Brit residents in our area have found our KEP office to be incredibly useful. Hopefully you can find an English speaker in the office.

                                                                            In our area they handle the swapping of a British Driving licence for a Greek one. (The Ministry of Transport would normally handle this process).

                                                                            After Dece, 31, 2020, it is likely Brits will need to apply for an International Drivers Licence to drive on Greek roads, regardless of the type of licence.

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                                                                                Hello Katherine @ clunegapyears

                                                                                Welcome to the forum.

                                                                                As I mentioned to the ‘badger family’ and you have picked up on it, it seems every police station can have a slightly different attitude to the question of the conditions of issuing the beige residence permit.  The one question that family were asked was simply: why do they need a permit? Because before, the system was very relaxed in Greece for EU nationals. In the course of daily life it was not necessary to prove residence until you need to do something official with the bureaucracy like buying a car.

                                                                                A “ΥΠΕΥΘΥΝΗ ΔΗΛΩΣΗ” may be helpful

                                                                                Anyway, remember the Greek year is January 1st – Dec 31st. So time in Greece this past winter ‘may’ count. But I am not in a position to give advice, I am not a lawyer. But you have an accountant. For an electricity bill issue, ask the accountant to speak to your landlady, state the problem of the electricity bill and ask her to sign a legal declaration “ΥΠΕΥΘΥΝΗ ΔΗΛΩΣΗ” that you rent the property and that she pays the electricity on your behalf and you re-imburse her. You would need a receipt to attach to the ΥΠΕΥΘΥΝΗ ΔΗΛΩΣΗ as well. The landlady would have sign a copy of a paid bill and sign it as part of the declaration too. THIS IS ONLY A SUGGESTION FROM ME. If all else is proving a challenge then get help from a lawyer. They do not cost an arm and a leg as in the UK. So if you run into difficulties talk to one. It may just stop heartache and worry.

                                                                                Usually, as an EU national you are supposed to apply for the residence permit  when you have stayed in Greece over 3 months.   I think what the police want to know is that you are able to support yourselves and that you are serious that  you wish to live in Greece, and that you are not being opportunists.  If the local police are sticklers by going by the book, then you need, I feel, to contact a local lawyer as I suggested, or even a local Greek you may know with some influence to liaise with the police. Your accountant is unlikely to do this on professional grounds.

                                                                                EHIC or Private Health Insurance

                                                                                Something else you may not be aware of. It is my understanding that as long as you have healthcare provision in the form of the EHIC card and for a private healthcare policy that is issued within an EU country that ‘should’ be enough proof  you are covered. (Just hope you do not need to translate the policy document into Greek). As you know all ’emergency treatment’ for EU nationals is without charge. Of course that changes for Brits on January 1, 2021.

                                                                                Choice of Crete Police Station

                                                                                It is usually the case you have to apply in the regional area where you have an address as shown on the rental agreement. Best to get along with the police station officer you have already made contact with. From our local mayor, the town council is incredbly keen to ‘keep’ the British residents ‘to stay’ after Brexit and not through bureaucracy force them out. It is recognised the British community is an economic force in the local economy of Crete. Good luck with the application for the residence permit application.

                                                                                Hope that is somewhat helpful

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                                                                                    Hello Nathan of the ‘Badger Family

                                                                                    Yes, it would be good to know how you get along, and to compare the different ways each region handles a residence permit application.

                                                                                    Take care and best of British!

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