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  • in reply to: #Stray #Terrier Saves British Student on Beach #48098
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        Since Pepper stayed at our kennels for 28 days, we know her story very well. Newspapers have greatly exaggerated the story, each adding fictional details to impress. The fact remains that Pepper was there at the right moment and at the right time.
        The latest news is that Pepper has been nominated for an Animal Hero Award. Georgia and her boyfriend John have been invited to London to attend an award ceremony on the 21st October. The press loved Pepper’s story and "things went a bit mad", so says Georgia! Why an award? On Google, type “pepper dog crete” to read the full story published by those numerous newspapers! Visit this link to see pictures of Pepper and of her litter: http://kissamos-dogs-boardingkennel.blogspot.gr/p/adopting-wandering-dog.html
        And this is the latest news!

        OUR STAR PEPPER SHINES AT THIS YEAR’S ANIMAL HERO AWARD event held in London on October 21, 2015, sponsored by The Daily Mirror and the RSPCA (Royal Society for the Protection against Cruelty to Animals)

        I quote: “The second RSPCA sponsored award – the Hero Animal of the Year – went to PEPPER the protective stray which protected holiday maker Georgia Bradley when two men approached her on a remote stretch of beach in Crete.”

        CONGRATULATIONS to PEPPER and GEORGIA!!!

        in reply to: A Guide for Pet Owners #46817
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            Couldn’t find the "Edit" bar to make corrections to my post. Here’s the message I wanted to add:
            Due to major changes in the European regulations regarding pet travel from December 29, 2014 onwards, my book has been updated in its second edition.
            See my other post on the forum "Pets …"

            in reply to: Greek law concerning animal/pet protection #45745
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                Thank you, Kefalas, for having reedited my post. I don’t know why it appeared the way it did; I probably clicked some button without noticing. I modified it. You could delete yours to get rid of the reiteration.
                To answer your question:
                The first part of the text is based on this link: http://www.et.gr/index.php/2013-01-28-14-06-23/2013-01-29-08-13-13 Click on the first (ΦΕΚ Α32 11-02-2014) and open the Pdf file. Choose page 554, Article 46 to start with.
                The Greek text was taken here: http://www.chania.gr/press-release/arxeio2014/elektonikisimansidespozomenwnzwwn2342014.html

                in reply to: Blood disease in cats #42532
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                    6D66716A626D62030 wrote: does my small child have to be super careful about playing where there might just be cat poo?

                    Yes! A pet, being a cat or a dog, is an uttermost valuable social and psychological aid for all age groups, especially for children and older persons. Allowing them to play with their pet(s) should be encouraged. From a medical point of view though, there always exists a potential danger for infection. One doesn’t have to be paranoid about it, but has to keep it in mind, applying the necessary prevention methods and being cautious.
                    A small child doesn’t realize what he/she is doing and could hurt the cat, provoking scratches or bites, which will or not provoke an infection. A child grabs everything he/she can reach, including cat’s feces, which are highly infectious. Examples are legion.
                    Small children, pregnant woman and immunodepressed patients are very vulnerable. I would keep a small child away from kittens and cats that don’t belong to my household, particularly feral cats of course. I would avoid at all costs any contact with the cat’s litter.

                    in reply to: Blood disease in cats #42424
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                        2. The genus Bartonella (B) comprises at least 26 species or subspecies of vector-transmitted bacteria. 11 species or subspecies are known or suspected to be pathogenic in humans, 8 have been detected in or isolated from pet dogs or cats. Cats are the main asymptomatic reservoir of 2 (3?) of them, among which B. henselae is responsible for cat scratch disease in humans. B. in cats is uttermost common and has a prevalence of about 40 to 60%, depending on the species, the cat’s breed and the climate zone, but cats are generally immune to the infection, while dogs and humans do not.
                        Five B. species are transmitted by lice, fleas or sandflies amongst different vertebrates (pigs, ruminants, rodents). [ch932]icks might serve as isolated B. hosts. However, there is no scientific evidence that B. spp. can replicate within ticks and currently transmission by a tick to a vertebrate host has never been demonstrated. Bartonellosis in humans and cats is not tick-borne! The disease is transmitted to humans and amongst cats (catteries, feral cats) by the cat flea Ctenocephalides felis (felis=cat).
                        To humans B. can cause: cat scratch disease, endocarditis, angiomatosis, a type of hepatitis in HIV-infected persons and bacteremia.
                        Cat scratch disease is benign and self-limiting except in its atypical forms. It’s transmitted through the cat flea’s feces. Infected fleas’ feces contaminate the cat’s claws during grooming, then B. are inoculated into the person when scratched or if he/she has an open wound. Open wounds can also be infected directly by the flea’s feces. B. is also present in the healthy cat’s mouth. Bites and licks should also be avoided. Nevertheless, a history of an animal scratch or bite is not necessary for disease transmission. Depending on the host immune system – immunodepressed patients are prone to develop serious symptoms – the disease will be mild or serious. Only 10% of infected patients are considered seriously ill and need antibiotics.
                        In cats, the symptoms are fever, weakness, swollen glands, uveitis, gingivitis and neurological symptoms. How often cats become ill is still unknown; why some cats develop Bartonellosis and other not is still not clear. Treatment consist of broad-spectrum antibiotics. The cat remains a healthy carrier though, since the bacteria remains hidden in its endothelial cells.
                        Prevention against this disease is based on: flea control all year long; when adopting, receiving or buying a cat, always assure it is free of fleas; claws should be trimmed regularly; bites, licks and scratches should be avoided at all times; cat wound should be washed and disinfected immediately; keep cats indoors to minimize exposure with unknown cats. Great care must be taken to avoid children and pregnant women to play with kittens, which are more likely to carry the bacteria.
                        To conclude:
                        1. Alistair’s kitten died of FIP, being, as many kittens are, a previously healthy B. host, normally without consequences, but since its immune system was depressed due to the viral infection, it could have or has developed a secondary Feline Bartonellosis, worsening the overall picture.
                        2. Ticks do not transmit Bartonellosis; cat fleas and cat fleas’ feces do. Between other vertebrates (rodents and ruminants), other vectors are sandflies and lices.
                        3. Finally, Bartonellosis is not a blood-disorder; it’s a disease caused by a blood-borne bacteria.

                        in reply to: Blood disease in cats #42388
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                            I much appreciate Alistair and her dedication, but her post is incomplete and partially wrong. She is speaking about two very different diseases, the one having no relation with the other. I’d like to comment on this to make things clear.
                            First of all, Bartonellosis is not a blood disease (leukemia and hemophilia are). Bartonella hides itself in endothelial cells and frees itself under certain circumstances into the bloodstream (bacteremia) provoking a blood-borne disease.
                            1. The kitten died from Feline Infectious Peritonitis (FIP), which is a fatal disease generally occurring in kittens (<1 year), cats younger than 5 years and those those older than 10. It is caused by a coronavirus, also responsible for Feline Enteric Coronavirus (FICV), a milder self-limiting disease with fever, vomiting and mucoid diarrhea. FIP has 2 forms and starts with weight loss, loss of appetite, fever and general malaise, progressing with icterus (jaundice), abdominal distension, difficulties in breathing and central nervous system abnormalities. The disease causes immunodepression which in turn facilitates concurrent bacterial infections. Most cases of FIV develop in catteries and multi-cats households. Coronavirus are shed in the cat’s feces. Healthy, asymptomatic cats shed the virus and kittens are more likely to become infected by contact with cats other than their queens. Prevention is thus based on: cats should be housed only with the queen and littermates; not allowing cats to have contact with other cats, especially unknown ones; not bringing in feral or bought or received cats without a thorough veterinary check; not touching one’s own cat after having touched an unknown cat. 
                            To end this topic: since the early symptoms are so vague, so common in other diseases, diagnosis is very difficult. Often an antibiotic treatment is started out of the blue, which is useless (it’s a viral disease!), except to combat a potential concurrent infection. Cats with systemic clinical signs die or need euthanasia; in the non-effusive form, the survival time is very variable. If uveitis and chorioretinitis are the only symptoms in a non-effusive form of the disease, anti-inflammatory treatment or enucleation have a good prognosis. A controversed nasal vaccine exists and an immunostimulating medication is actually experimented.

                            in reply to: eye doctor #38229
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                                To obtain a prescription for a new pair of glasses, you need a prescription from an ophthalmologist, either at the hospital, either at a medical care center. There is no EOPYY-accredited ophthalmologist in your neighborhood, neither in Chania. There is no such thing as good or bad doctors; only those you like and those you don’t.

                                in reply to: Free medical support and prescriptions #38510
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                                    The doctors on the EOPYY list are all EOPYY-accredited, which means they all have the right to see IKA-insured patients, OPAD-, OAEE-, OGA- and TYDKY-insured patients, which are now, in fact, all EOPYY-insured patients.
                                    The list mentions all private doctors; IKA-hospital doctors are automatically accredited (not necessarily private centers!).

                                    As I said before, IKA and other books will be discarded for the benefit of EOPYY-books or cards. Since we are at the very beginning of this new National Health Service, people still have to use their old book.

                                    To conclude: IKA-insured persons and foreigners who have a valid European Insurance Card receive free medical care, either at the hospital, either at a medical care center, either at a EOPYY-accredited doctor in private, mentioned on the EOPYY-list.

                                    in reply to: AMKA #39396
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                                        Yes LJF, this is definite. I said “were planning” because all this started in February and despite the disapproval and claims and strikes of the doctors’ and pharmacists’ associations, the law has been voted and published this December 16.
                                        Whatever the social security a patient had before, from January 1, 2012 on, he will be allowed to visit an EOPYY-accredited doctor (EOPYY = [ch917][ch952][ch957][ch953][ch954][ch972][ch962] [ch927][ch961][ch947][ch945][ch957][ch953][ch963][ch956][ch972][ch962] [ch928][ch945][ch961][ch959][ch967][ch974][ch957] [ch933][ch960][ch951][ch961][ch949][ch963][ch953][ch974][ch957] [ch933][ch947][ch949][ch943][ch945][ch962] = “National Organisation of Benefits of Health Services”)  (There are minor exceptions: army, navy, … aren’t in the system yet) either in a medical care center, either at his private practice and the consultation will be free. For a consultation, the doctor will receive from EOPYY the fabulous sum of 10€/visit, with a maximum of 2 visits/patient/month and a maximum of 200 patients/month.
                                        Accredited doctors will consult in two ways and only during 4 hours/day:
                                        – medical centers: upon appointment (tel.: 184)
                                        – in private: during working hours with or without appointment.
                                        Outside “accredited working hours” the patient pays. Those “working hours” are decided by the doctor himself, but have to be clearly mentioned outside his practice so the patient knows what to expect.
                                        This new system aims at reducing the enormous frauds that were common since 50 years and to drastically reduce the medical care expenses for reasons you all know. Medical prescription booklets and ID-books will be discarded. You will receive a social security card. Medical prescriptions are already electronic.
                                        Although the law has been published and is effective from January 1 on, being active in the medical business, – no details because of danger of self-promotion punishment – I can tell it seems obvious that it will take another few months before the organization will work properly. F.i. How and where will the list of accredited doctors be published? Who will be those doctors? How are they going to be selected? And much more. Ask an IKA employee for details and you will get “[ch916][ch949][ch957] [ch958][ch941][ch961][ch969]”
                                        Doctors’ associations are still urging their members not to sign any agreement with EOPYY to boycott it, hoping that it will be either withdrawn, either changed from top to bottom.
                                        As always: Wait and see.

                                        in reply to: AMKA #39235
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                                            The AMKA number is a social security number for all Greek citizens and foreigners living and working in Greece or entitled to benefit from the social security system.
                                            The number is your birth date followed by 5 follow-up figures. That’s why each person in a couple has his own number.
                                            The main reason for introducing an AMKA number earlier this year is simple: they (the ministers) were planning to unify the social security, abolishing the different social security organisms. From the 01-01-2012 on there will be no more IKA, OAEE, etc. but only one EOPYY: Greek (unified) Organisation for Health Care.
                                            Patients will be able to chose any doctor to go to – lists of accredited doctors will be published- be they independent, employee, … (= having before 2012 IKA or OAEE or OPAD …) and receive free medical care.
                                            Foreigners have IKA and had to go to an IKA doctor. From 2012 on they can go to any EOPYY-accredited doctor, in a medical center or private.
                                            Introducing your AMKA number into any computer system gives an town hall employee or a doctor or … access to your data. As an example: electronic medical prescriptions are only accessible via your AMKA number.
                                            The reason why, in the past, IKA doctors in medical care centers didn’t pay attention to people having or not an AMKA number is simple: they don’t use the computer programs to write electronic medical prescription or complementary tests, which IKA, OAEE, OPAD or OGA-accredited doctors are/were obliged to use in their private practice.

                                            in reply to: GREEK WHITE SHEPHERD DOG dog seeking adoption!!! #38839
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                                                Thank you, nickygirl, for your very positive and encouraging comment! Your dog could well be part Akbash, as you put it’ it depends on his morphology. Akbash dogs are taller and heavier and they have pink and/or blackish or brownish skin patches under their undercoat, which the Greek Shepherd dog does not. Searching for information on this Akbash dog, I learned that Turkey has two national dog breeds, the Akbash and the Kangals. It is legal to export the first, not the second! Strange isn’t it?
                                                For those of you who are interested, it is also very interesting to know that the term Shepherd dogs refers to two kinds of working dog breeds: Herding dogs and Livestock Guardian dogs, often erroneously mixed. Herding dogs herd livestock (Collie) where as Livestock Guardian dogs guard livestock against human and animal intruders. Our white ghosts are the latter. That’s why they are such good house-guardians as well.
                                                The family who will adopt this white Greek LGD not only will they do something good, but have a very special dog as well.

                                                in reply to: GREEK WHITE SHEPHERD DOG dog seeking adoption!!! #38377
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                                                    After some research, I found an article written by a specialist in shepherd dogs, Clifford LB Hubbard Sidgwick & Jackson. This dog could well be a Greek shepherd dog, in the past used by shepherds in the Balkans, Albania, Macedonia, northern Greece and Parnassus. It originates from crossings between the Cane da pastore Maremmano-Abruzzesi from Italy, the Hungarian Kuvasz, the Polish Tatra and the Pyrenean Mountain dog. Its general appearance is smaller, between the Kuvasz and the Polish Tatra shepherd dog, about 26 inches /65 cm high.

                                                    in reply to: Dog transportation to UK #36253
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                                                        There are two aspects in flying a dog from Crete to UK: either alone, either accompanied.
                                                        Alone, it has to be done with a cargo flight, either via a pet transport company, either on a personal basis.
                                                        Accompanied it may be, either with the owner (18€/kg dog + cradle) or with a third person having a written authorization from the owner. Of course, the dog has to fulfill all the legal requirements: passport, vaccinations, etc. stipulated in the DEFRA description and which are much easier starting January 1st. 

                                                        in reply to: HOUSE PETS PROTECTION and CARE. #32249
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                                                            143B2A3C3F392D6F675E0 wrote: Only two pets per household?Is that for real? I have a dog and two cats that I will want to bring over,will that no longer be allowed?There must be loads of brits with more pets-how is this law going to help anything?

                                                            The law is very clear :
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                                                            In apartment-buildings with at least 2 floors, one has the right to have one dog and one cat or two dogs or two cats, as far as they live in the same apartment as their owner(s), even if the internal rules prohibit the possession of pets. They are not allowed though to live on roofs, terraces, verandas, … There is no limit for private houses, owned or rented.

                                                            in reply to: HOUSE PETS PROTECTION and CARE. #32242
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                                                                PRECISIONS (= changes) concerning the urban ([ch922][ch932][ch917][ch923]) and interurban ([ch922][ch932][ch917][ch923] [ch913].[ch917].) transport of pets and small animals (law B/41804/4443).
                                                                Thanks to the continuous pressure of several Greek Animal Welfare Organizations, the Ministry of transport published (13th September) some important changes relative to the transport of pets and small animals, which previously had to be transported in the luggage compartment. Here they are summarised :
                                                                -It has to be accompanied by its owner or by a person in charge.
                                                                – It has to have a valid passport or health certificate
                                                                – Under no circumstances are the driver, bus owner or passengers allowed to object or to refuse the presence of a pet or small animal or a guide dog inside the vehicle.
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                                                                – A small pet has to be in a carrier, size 50x40x70 maximum, put next to its owner in the passage.
                                                                – Guide/assistance dogs (whatever their size) remain free but muzzled, next to its owner.
                                                                2. [ch922][ch932][ch917][ch923] [ch913].[ch917]. (maximum 2 animals/trip)
                                                                – A small pet (7 kg maximum) has to be in a carrier, size 50x40x35 maximum, put next to its owner in the passage or in the stairway.
                                                                – Guide/assistance dogs (whatever their size) remain free but muzzled, next to its owner.

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                                                                    415C54525D575956525D330 wrote: Does the new house pets law cover disturbance of the peace by tied up dogs barking in the early hours of the morning?

                                                                    Paragraph 15[ch914] 96 says that : “The pet owners have to take all measures so as not to disturb the peace of the neighborhood in whatever way.” (free translation) Somewhere there is a sibylline expression, “[ch954][ch959][ch953][ch957][ch942] [ch951][ch963][ch965][ch967][ch943][ch945]”, which means “public quietness” and which should be between 10PM and 7AM and from 15 till 18PM.
                                                                    A Greek upset person called the police at 11PM complaining that the neighbor’s dog barked day and night. The police came and told him “We can’t knock at your neighbor’s door since it’s after 10 o’ clock! Quod non erat demonstrandum.

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                                                                        How strange it may sound coming from a dog loving person, eager to see a positive and valid update of the Greek law concerning animal protection, I agree and with me three main Greek Animal Societies with Alistair’s subtle remark. Indeed, it may look as if this new law – which has to be published yet to be applicable – will solve all the problems. It is not. Read what it says: fines and fines again, interdictions, restrictions, imprisonment, electronic chips and all kinds of controls everywhere, etc. According to the Greek Animal Societies, not one of their practical propositions have been retained, the law being exclusively oriented towards … financial benefits. There is no common ethic and logic long-term strategy in this law, which is only a pale copy of the European laws. There is not one goal aiming at people’s education.
                                                                        Sad to say, but it is a fact that this law would never have been proposed or voted these days if the Greek government hadn’t been searching desperately for money. Its urge to do so is the result of the pressure to find funds, anywhere, anyhow, which it achieves by collecting direct and indirect taxes from the application of this law (if it is …). Its goal is not to educate or protect; this represents only a subsidiary, less important benefit.
                                                                        This being said, “Roma non fu fatta in un giorno”. In some way, we could think positively and accept that “Better an incomplete law than no law at all”. As I said earlier, it’s only one step forward. The pressure of the Animal Societies upon the responsible institutions will hopefully change things in time.

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                                                                            The law I was speaking about here above was voted yesterday, July 7th. The moment it is published officialy, I’ll give you all the details.

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                                                                                No, it doesn’t depend on the doctor, meaning, it doesn’t depend on the individual doctors, on how they “want” to prescribe; it depends on how well the doctor knows the meanders of the Greek prescription rules, which are very tortuous. I cited the example of the hypnotic, Hipnosedon, which is a typical example. 25% of the price and the obligation to have a prescription with one red bar (two red bars are for narcotics) prescribed by a neuropsychiatrist; 0% and no red-bar prescription if for drug addicts. 
                                                                                Of course, one should admit that each doctor in his specialty should know which drug is reimbursed partially or totally (to the pharmacist) according to the disease. Belle’s doctor made an error he wasn’t eager to admit, hence its excessive reaction. Greek doctors are very touchy.
                                                                                The social security system in Greece is based on the professional activity of the insured person. All independent workers have O.A.E.E.; all public sector workers have O.P.A.D.; all farmers and co. have OGA; all military, customs and navy personnel have their social security; doctors have TSAY and a majority of resident foreigners have IKA, including all pensioned Greek. An OAEE, … Greek changes to IKA when he retires.
                                                                                Doctors practicing in IKA hospitals all have an IKA agreement; private doctors and those in private hospitals have an agreement with IKA and maybe with other insurances or not.
                                                                                I advice foreigners to act like the Greeks do: entering a doctor’s practice, whom you are not certain if he has or not IKA, hold your IKA book in your hand (wave with it eventually …) so he immediately knows what kind of insurance you have. If he doesn’t have IKA, he will tell you immediately. It is not sure Latsida’s doctor didn’t have IKA; maybe he didn’t bother to ask and wrote his prescription without any further question.
                                                                                To answer bazanshe’s question: the chemist will charge the full price written on the box if she  does not have IKA and he will charge 0, 10 or 25 % of the price if she has IKA, depending on the diagnosis and the correct way the doctor filled it in on his prescription form.
                                                                                A last word: except in hospitals, where they do not have the necessary computer equipment yet, all OAEE doctors are obliged to write electronic prescriptions, not hand-written ones. Those doctors who refused to do so saw their agreement end at once. Those who accepted to do so, were also agreed by IKA, OGA and OPAD. Those electronic prescriptions are rather slow, but they have several big advantages: the medication prescribed has to match with the diagnosis, otherwise, the system doesn’t accept the prescription; the chemist uses a barcode reader to read the barcode on the prescription and to read the barcode on the medication box, they have to correspond, otherwise …; % of participation is always correct, otherwise …; the chemists cannot fraud anymore …!
                                                                                This system started in October last year. During the first 3 months, OAEE alone made a gain of 235.000 €! No need to guess how and why.

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                                                                                    Latsida’s answer is not quite complete.
                                                                                    Without a doctor’s prescription, the patient pays the full price of the medication.
                                                                                    With an IKA doctor’s prescription and if the patient has a valid IKA book, the price of the medication varies according to the specialty. To cite a few examples:
                                                                                    A hypnotic or a pain killer (Lonarid) is always 25 % of the price; an antidepressant drug is 25 % if the doctor fills in the diagnosis of depression, but 0 % if he writes [ch936].[ch931]. (psychotic syndrome – which is false and fraud); antiparkinson-drugs and eye drops are 10 % and drugs for multiple sclerosis always 0 %.
                                                                                    Exept for those drugs that are clearly classified – MS, Parkinson, eye drops and many others – everything depends on the precision of the doctor’s written diagnosis on his prescription. He has the obligation to fill in the % of the patient’s contribution. An example: A hypnotic such as Hipnosedon is 25 % except for those who are under medical control for drug addiction.

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